Advice
George Toft
george@georgetoft.com
Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:15:51 -0700
That's what I did at my last job. My 30 seconds were focused on:
How long at each job.
Did he/she put the skills I asked for on the resume.
Education.
I had one resume that actually said Linux as a skill, as this was a
Linux position (98% of the resumes had MS all over it). I asked
him if he knew anything about Linux. He said "What do you mean?"
I replied: "Do you know more than just how to spell it?" He responded
by pressing one of the buttons on the phone keypad, and hung up on
me. My reaction: Filing the resume in the "No Way" pile.
We each have our ways of filtering candidates (or employers).
George
Alan Dayley wrote:
>
> In my experience getting a bachelor's degree in SOMETHING will open many
> employment doors that will otherwise stay shut. This is especially true in
> a downturn economy. While I use very little of the actual factual stuff of
> my EE degree on a daily basis and haven't for years, I would not be working
> where I am now at the salary I have now without the paper.
>
> Studies show that when a potential employer picks up your resume to review
> it, he or she will decide in 7 seconds, on average, whether or not to keep
> looking at it. Many times that 7 seconds is spent looking at education and
> certifications. If they don't like what they see, the resume goes to the
> "round file."
>
> In many ways all a degree proves is that you can follow a set of rules.
> But, many employers won't even look at you seriously unless you have that
> blessed piece of paper.
>
> However, YMMV.
>
> Alan
>
> At 11:57 AM 3/21/01 -0700, you wrote:
> >I am going to disagree on one point. You don't necessarily need to get a CS
> >degree. Go to college for something you want to learn, and that you can't
> >easily teach yourself. I got a microbiology degree and after I graduated I
> >was hired as a Unix sysadmin. If you are going to do computers as a job then
> >go to school for it. If computers is your passion and you want to get paid
> >for it, go to school for another one of your interests and gain work
> >experience (school help desk, etc). Just my opinion though and I am sure
> >that many will disagree.
> >
> >Joel Dudley
> >Unix System Administrator
> >DevelopOnline.com
> >----------------------------------------
> >"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the
> >story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is
> >about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock,
> >he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for
> >centuries."
> >- Dr. Robert Jastrow, Founder Goddard Space Flight Institute
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Deepak Saxena [mailto:deepak@csociety.purdue.edu]
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:07 AM
> >To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> >Subject: Re: Advice
> >
> >
> >
> >My opinions (which i will probably get flamed for)
> >
> >1) Get some cheap hardware and start learning how to do things on your
> > own as was mentioned before
> >2) With those skills get an entry level job somewhere
> >3) Save money and get a degree in CS, but while getting a degree in CS
> > make sure you take some classes in low level stuff like architecture.
> > Or if a full college degree is not what you're interesested in, just
> > take the relevant classes or pick up a book. The key is don't
> > just learn how to setup a network and a web server, etc, learn how
> > this stuff works.
> >
> > Why step 3 you make ask? b/c IMHO having a good understanding of
> > how computers work from top to bottom instead of just how to
> > use the tools to do the job will let you do your job much better.
> > It will also make you much more flexible down the road and I
> > think it makes it easier to pick up new technologuies.
> > People may disagree with this, but I have seen enough IT people
> > (both Windows and Un*x) who have NO CLUE about how computers actually
> > works that I would highly reccomend as much as you can about
> > computers, not just high level networking stuff.
> >
> >~Deepak
> >
> >On Mar 21 2001, at 10:02, Tyler Hall was caught saying:
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >> I need your guy's advice, I'm hoping to get into the field of networking
> >in the near future. Such as, managing a school or a company's network.
> >I'm going to school right now at Chandler-Gilbert Community College, to get
> >this stupid degree in "Microsoft Networking" I think it's a waste of my
> >time and money. I'm looking for someone that is in that field, and would
> >be willing to tell me, what steps I should take. I currently just graduated
> >from high school, so i'm still young. Any advice would be helpful.
> >>
> >> Please reply privately, so we don't disturb the public list :)
> >>
> >> Tyler Hall
> >>
> >> "Goddam it, you'll never get the Purple Heart hiding in a foxhole! Follow
> >me!"
> >> - Captain Henry P. "Jim" Crowe (Guadalcanal, January 13, 1943)
> >
> >--
> >Deepak Saxena - deepak@csociety.purdue.edu - phone://602.790.0500
> >
> >Code Monkey, MontaVista Software, Inc. - THE Embedded Linux Experts
> >
> >call me 'evil' call me 'tide is on your side' anything that you want
> >anybody knows you can conjure anything by the dark of the moon
> > - Tori Amos, "Suede"
> >
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