Advice
Alan Dayley
adayley@adtron.com
Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:33:24 -0700
One of the coders I work with now has a BS in psychology. She left that
long ago for computers. I don't think she would have been excluded
outright without a degree, but it would have been something to overcome.
As it was, we just figured she successfully "re-invented" herself. She is
a protocol wiz!
Alan
At 03:16 PM 3/21/01 -0700, you wrote:
>
>I actually agree with you. My main point was get educated (college or self)
>on everything about computers. Hell, if I did it again, I'd go to culinary
>arts school. :)
>
>~Deepak
>
>On Mar 21 2001, at 12:49, Alan Dayley was caught saying:
>>
>> In my experience getting a bachelor's degree in SOMETHING will open many
>> employment doors that will otherwise stay shut. This is especially true in
>> a downturn economy. While I use very little of the actual factual stuff of
>> my EE degree on a daily basis and haven't for years, I would not be working
>> where I am now at the salary I have now without the paper.
>>
>> Studies show that when a potential employer picks up your resume to review
>> it, he or she will decide in 7 seconds, on average, whether or not to keep
>> looking at it. Many times that 7 seconds is spent looking at education and
>> certifications. If they don't like what they see, the resume goes to the
>> "round file."
>>
>> In many ways all a degree proves is that you can follow a set of rules.
>> But, many employers won't even look at you seriously unless you have that
>> blessed piece of paper.
>>
>> However, YMMV.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> At 11:57 AM 3/21/01 -0700, you wrote:
>> >I am going to disagree on one point. You don't necessarily need to get
a CS
>> >degree. Go to college for something you want to learn, and that you can't
>> >easily teach yourself. I got a microbiology degree and after I graduated I
>> >was hired as a Unix sysadmin. If you are going to do computers as a job
then
>> >go to school for it. If computers is your passion and you want to get paid
>> >for it, go to school for another one of your interests and gain work
>> >experience (school help desk, etc). Just my opinion though and I am sure
>> >that many will disagree.
>> >
>> >Joel Dudley
>> >Unix System Administrator
>> >DevelopOnline.com
>> >----------------------------------------
>> >"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the
>> >story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance;
he is
>> >about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final
rock,
>> >he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for
>> >centuries."
>> >- Dr. Robert Jastrow, Founder Goddard Space Flight Institute
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Deepak Saxena [mailto:deepak@csociety.purdue.edu]
>> >Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:07 AM
>> >To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
>> >Subject: Re: Advice
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >My opinions (which i will probably get flamed for)
>> >
>> >1) Get some cheap hardware and start learning how to do things on your
>> > own as was mentioned before
>> >2) With those skills get an entry level job somewhere
>> >3) Save money and get a degree in CS, but while getting a degree in CS
>> > make sure you take some classes in low level stuff like architecture.
>> > Or if a full college degree is not what you're interesested in, just
>> > take the relevant classes or pick up a book. The key is don't
>> > just learn how to setup a network and a web server, etc, learn how
>> > this stuff works.
>> >
>> > Why step 3 you make ask? b/c IMHO having a good understanding of
>> > how computers work from top to bottom instead of just how to
>> > use the tools to do the job will let you do your job much better.
>> > It will also make you much more flexible down the road and I
>> > think it makes it easier to pick up new technologuies.
>> > People may disagree with this, but I have seen enough IT people
>> > (both Windows and Un*x) who have NO CLUE about how computers actually
>> > works that I would highly reccomend as much as you can about
>> > computers, not just high level networking stuff.
>> >
>> >~Deepak
>> >
>> >On Mar 21 2001, at 10:02, Tyler Hall was caught saying:
>> >> Greetings,
>> >>
>> >> I need your guy's advice, I'm hoping to get into the field of
networking
>> >in the near future. Such as, managing a school or a company's network.
>> >I'm going to school right now at Chandler-Gilbert Community College, to
get
>> >this stupid degree in "Microsoft Networking" I think it's a waste of my
>> >time and money. I'm looking for someone that is in that field, and would
>> >be willing to tell me, what steps I should take. I currently just
graduated
>> >from high school, so i'm still young. Any advice would be helpful.
>> >>
>> >> Please reply privately, so we don't disturb the public list :)
>> >>
>> >> Tyler Hall
>> >>
>> >> "Goddam it, you'll never get the Purple Heart hiding in a foxhole!
Follow
>> >me!"
>> >> - Captain Henry P. "Jim" Crowe (Guadalcanal, January 13, 1943)
>> >
>> >--
>> >Deepak Saxena - deepak@csociety.purdue.edu - phone://602.790.0500
>> >
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>> > - Tori Amos, "Suede"
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>Deepak Saxena - deepak@csociety.purdue.edu - phone://602.790.0500
>
>Code Monkey, MontaVista Software, Inc. - THE Embedded Linux Experts
>
>call me 'evil' call me 'tide is on your side' anything that you want
>anybody knows you can conjure anything by the dark of the moon
> - Tori Amos, "Suede"
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