Advice
Furmanek, Greg
Greg.Furmanek@hit.cendant.com
Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:07:11 -0500
I have to say you defiantly have a point in there.
Personally I had someone refuse me employment on the
basis of (lack of) education. She hired some shmucks
with papers. They F**ked up bunch of stuff which
I am currently fixing. The fact remains paper is paper
and *many* companies will not even consider a candidate
with out one.
Greg
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: Alan Dayley [mailto:adayley@adtron.com]
-> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 12:49 PM
-> To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
-> Subject: RE: Advice
->
->
->
-> In my experience getting a bachelor's degree in SOMETHING
-> will open many
-> employment doors that will otherwise stay shut. This is
-> especially true in
-> a downturn economy. While I use very little of the actual
-> factual stuff of
-> my EE degree on a daily basis and haven't for years, I would
-> not be working
-> where I am now at the salary I have now without the paper.
->
-> Studies show that when a potential employer picks up your
-> resume to review
-> it, he or she will decide in 7 seconds, on average, whether
-> or not to keep
-> looking at it. Many times that 7 seconds is spent looking
-> at education and
-> certifications. If they don't like what they see, the
-> resume goes to the
-> "round file."
->
-> In many ways all a degree proves is that you can follow a
-> set of rules.
-> But, many employers won't even look at you seriously unless
-> you have that
-> blessed piece of paper.
->
-> However, YMMV.
->
-> Alan
->
-> At 11:57 AM 3/21/01 -0700, you wrote:
-> >I am going to disagree on one point. You don't necessarily
-> need to get a CS
-> >degree. Go to college for something you want to learn, and
-> that you can't
-> >easily teach yourself. I got a microbiology degree and
-> after I graduated I
-> >was hired as a Unix sysadmin. If you are going to do
-> computers as a job then
-> >go to school for it. If computers is your passion and you
-> want to get paid
-> >for it, go to school for another one of your interests and gain work
-> >experience (school help desk, etc). Just my opinion though
-> and I am sure
-> >that many will disagree.
-> >
-> >Joel Dudley
-> >Unix System Administrator
-> >DevelopOnline.com
-> >----------------------------------------
-> >"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power
-> of reason, the
-> >story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of
-> ignorance; he is
-> >about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over
-> the final rock,
-> >he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been
-> sitting there for
-> >centuries."
-> >- Dr. Robert Jastrow, Founder Goddard Space Flight Institute
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >-----Original Message-----
-> >From: Deepak Saxena [mailto:deepak@csociety.purdue.edu]
-> >Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:07 AM
-> >To: plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
-> >Subject: Re: Advice
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >My opinions (which i will probably get flamed for)
-> >
-> >1) Get some cheap hardware and start learning how to do
-> things on your
-> > own as was mentioned before
-> >2) With those skills get an entry level job somewhere
-> >3) Save money and get a degree in CS, but while getting a
-> degree in CS
-> > make sure you take some classes in low level stuff like
-> architecture.
-> > Or if a full college degree is not what you're
-> interesested in, just
-> > take the relevant classes or pick up a book. The key is don't
-> > just learn how to setup a network and a web server, etc,
-> learn how
-> > this stuff works.
-> >
-> > Why step 3 you make ask? b/c IMHO having a good understanding of
-> > how computers work from top to bottom instead of just how to
-> > use the tools to do the job will let you do your job much better.
-> > It will also make you much more flexible down the road and I
-> > think it makes it easier to pick up new technologuies.
-> > People may disagree with this, but I have seen enough IT people
-> > (both Windows and Un*x) who have NO CLUE about how
-> computers actually
-> > works that I would highly reccomend as much as you can about
-> > computers, not just high level networking stuff.
-> >
-> >~Deepak
-> >
-> >On Mar 21 2001, at 10:02, Tyler Hall was caught saying:
-> >> Greetings,
-> >>
-> >> I need your guy's advice, I'm hoping to get into the
-> field of networking
-> >in the near future. Such as, managing a school or a
-> company's network.
-> >I'm going to school right now at Chandler-Gilbert Community
-> College, to get
-> >this stupid degree in "Microsoft Networking" I think it's
-> a waste of my
-> >time and money. I'm looking for someone that is in that
-> field, and would
-> >be willing to tell me, what steps I should take. I
-> currently just graduated
-> >from high school, so i'm still young. Any advice would be
-> helpful.
-> >>
-> >> Please reply privately, so we don't disturb the public list :)
-> >>
-> >> Tyler Hall
-> >>
-> >> "Goddam it, you'll never get the Purple Heart hiding in a
-> foxhole! Follow
-> >me!"
-> >> - Captain Henry P. "Jim" Crowe (Guadalcanal, January 13, 1943)
-> >
-> >--
-> >Deepak Saxena - deepak@csociety.purdue.edu - phone://602.790.0500
-> >
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-> >
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-> >anybody knows you can conjure anything by the dark of the moon
-> > - Tori Amos, "Suede"
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