\_ running Helix-Gnome with Enlightenment (btw anyone have any url's \_ comparing sawfish vs. enlightenment?). I dunno, I'd try running altavista-grep across the mailing list archive for sawfish. The consensus on #sawfish is that sawfish, is, of course, faster, cooler, and smaller. I know on my home p120 sawfish is happy and E, is, well E-vil. David