Never mind I ended up just grabbing the tulip.c-091 file (I assumed that was the lastest) renaming it tulip.c and compling. That all seemd to be fine. yet I still don't get either tulip listed as a mod when i lsmod or eth0 to show up as an interface with I netstat -i. Anybody have any ideas? Carl Parrish webmaster www.carlparrish.com