Ignore him, correct him offlist, or killfile him and move on

Fri Jun 21 04:55:00 MST 2024

accessibility side money? that's a good idea! you should go to intel or
motorola or the others and ask.  good luck with that buddy!

On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 5:51 PM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Yes!
>
> I remember being on the steering committee to actually start up PLUG! That
> was kind of a first-hand experience. I really wish I could’ve been there
> when one of the big higher-ups in the whole Lynn scene came to Phoenix, and
> some of the club members took him out shooting at Ben Avery. That would’ve
> been a treat, even for me! oh well, those things happened. Yeah, in the
> early days, red hat was a bit over complicated, hard to set up, sometimes
> didn’t do what you wanted, what was generally pretty good for all of that.
> Debbie and just worked in most cases,  SUSE was a new up and coming thing
> and at least it had some accessibility. (although that changed later when
> they went open, SE and the more corporate model there product lost all that
> accessibility). For me, it’s mostly just been tinkering with it, using it
> at one time to actually host several virtual machines using VMware
> (including an open BSD firewall , tour, three different window sessions, a
> couple of Lennox guests (including one specifically for Development, and a
> number of other things). That was also the first time I had a PXE server
> running here in the house. That was interesting. So was starting up an NFS
> server to host all my files.  It’s amazing what you could do with the old
> VMware server 1.0 platform at the time! :-) How things have changed in the
> last 25 years!
>
> Yeah, I’m very nearly pushing 60 these days, but I’d still like to earn
> some side hustle jobs. I’m not really a coder, although I do take write
> some scripts for various applications.  However, one of the things I’m good
> at is accessibility consulting. I wonder if any of the large companies here
> in town would mind paying me some side money to help them take care of
> accessibility issues (I can test websites well enough, but I don’t have ,
> much access to a mini apps, which would probably be a bit more helpful).
>
> Anyway, back to the grind.
>
> – Eric
> From the central offices of the Technomage guild, everything works and
> everything must go department.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 20, 2024, at 1:38 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > From about 2000 - maybe 2004 I was involved with the TFUG.  They were
> big on Debian.  They helped me with desktop questions and issues.  I was
> able to run a LAMP server in maybe 2002 with the help of TFUG.
> Unfortunately I left the email relay open and someone found it and was
> sending spam through my server.  I was bounced from the only ISP in Tucson
> that would allow servers on consumer grade Internet.
> >
> > I'm a big fan of PHP/MySQL.  Been using both since maybe 2002.
> >
> > You seem to have decent Linux skills.
> >
> > I've been experimenting with ChatGPT (AI) for maybe 6 or 8 weeks now.  I
> think AI must be taken into consideration when making a career move.
> >
> > I'm interested in Cyber Security as well.  I suspect that to get into
> the game might require a lot of Windows knowledge as well as Linux.  I
> suspect there might be a niche for LAMP/LEMP hosting security.  Maybe there
> are others.
> >
> > If you are looking for a side hustle or freelance type of situation, I
> would suggest PHP/MySQL.
> >
> > I would suggest learning how to code using ChatGPT to help write your
> code. It is easier than you think.
> >
> > I recently had a discussion with a guy adverting on Craig's list.  He
> told me he was building websites using ChatGPT 4.  I'm using the free
> version 3.5.
> >
> > Remember code is reusable.
> >
> > I think there is a lot of prospects for those who have lower rates.
> There is a few job boards where you can offer your services.
> >
> > If you are interested you will need to have entry level skills in (I'm
> sure you already know this):
> >
> > HTML
> > CSS
> > Some JavaScript
> > Some AJAX
> > PHP
> > MySQL/SQL
> > I recommend getting familiar with phpMyAdmin
> > I think you could easily install and setup VirtualBox and configure it
> with a LAMP/LEMP stack for development. If you haven't done so already.
> >
> > If you have an extra box that has a decent CPU and some decent RAM
> Proxmox might be an option.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 2024-06-20 12:46, Michael wrote:
> >> I was introduced to Linux in 97ish at an installfest at GCC. I went
> >> with a friend and my computer where we put red hat on it. I remember
> >> Hans was given a red fedora in appreciation for all his work in making
> >> it happen. I don't think my friend ever got Linux running. I STRuggled
> >> with red hat for two months, couldn't get internet to work, before I
> >> brought the computer to a plug meeting and asked Hans to put windows
> >> back on it.but I caught the Linux bug and at the next meeting, or
> >> installfest, I put Debian on it. Everything worked with debian.
> >> You know, I want to get into something IT related. I was thinking
> >> cyber security but programming might be better as I probably will have
> >> to train myself. What do you guys think I should do?
> >>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, 10:15 AM <techlists at phpcoderusa.com> wrote:
> >>> Thank you Mike!!
> >>> What I really meant to say, in part, was there are some really
> >>> talented
> >>> and skilled people on this list. That is why I said one should take
> >>> an
> >>> inventory of what you have.  You are fortunate.
> >>> Thank you for your willingness to help those of us that struggle. I
> >>> love
> >>> technology and specifically programming.  Technology has been a
> >>> love/hate relationship.
> >>> I was introduced to Linux in about 1998 or so.  I think at that time
> >>> I
> >>> bought a box set of RedHat version 4.2 ... or so I recall.
> >>> I had a couple corporate programming jobs.  Nothing special.  I had
> >>> to
> >>> start freelancing to really get into the game.  I have to tell you
> >>> it
> >>> was all God.
> >>> In the early days I was also on the Tucson Free Unix Group list.
> >>> TFUG
> >>> and PLUG have been instrumental in my success.
> >>> Thank you for allowing us to lurk on your list and ask silly
> >>> questions.
> >>> Keith
> >>> On 2024-06-20 06:14, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>>> And thank you Keith for your words! I wish I could remember
> >>> meeting
> >>>> you. The only names I can associate with a 30 year younger face is
> >>>> Brian and Hans.
> >>>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 8:30 PM Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>> Thanks for the support, Eric.
> >>>>> So glad that things are working out for you!
> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2024, 12:14 AM Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss
> >>>>> <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> Guys,
> >>>>>> I am totally blind, and that’s partly due to traumatic brain
> >>>>>> injury back in 1989. I’ve also had my moments where I am
> >>>>>> exceedingly curse when it comes to some subjects. I also tend to
> >>>>>> be a little bit obsessive, compulsive, and that happens to be
> >>> the
> >>>>>> autistic side of my nature which I’ve had all my life. I am a
> >>>>>> bit unusual, but science and technology are my thing so I tend
> >>> not
> >>>>>> to ask too many questions because I’ve already done most of
> >>> the
> >>>>>> research. However, sometimes research isn’t enough and I may
> >>> end
> >>>>>> up having gas questions here. So, one should look past some of
> >>> the
> >>>>>> commentary on here and recognize and realize those of us were
> >>>>>> traumatic brain. Injuries may not necessarily operate in a
> >>> normal
> >>>>>> fashion. I happen to be one of the few exceptions because the
> >>> area
> >>>>>> of the brain and question for me that was damaged with my visual
> >>>>>> cortex.  Also, as an aside, I also have prosthetic eyes, so it
> >>>>>> doesn’t matter what my visual cortex does because I wouldn’t
> >>>>>> be able to perceive anything anyway. In any case, this really
> >>>>>> hasn’t slowed me down much in both the accessibility and
> >>> Lennox
> >>>>>> fields. I’ve been writing a bunch of scripts, especially for .
> >>>>>> Comes in handy when I want to download a video from YouTube and
> >>>>>> then listen to it using VLC. Makes a lot easier than having to
> >>>>>> deal with the stupid app and their commercials.
> >>>>>> Anyway, that’s my opinion on this subject and now we should
> >>>>>> probably get back to Lennox and what it can be used for and how
> >>>>>> accessible it really is.
> >>>>>> – Eric
> >>>>>> From the central offices of the Technomage Guild,  Opinions and
> >>>>>> research department.
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>> On Jun 16, 2024, at 6:22 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> >>>>>> <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>> I hear about and read about everyone wanting to get along.
> >>> I
> >>>>>> am old enough to know that is impossible.  I tend to get
> >>> political
> >>>>>> and my views are at odds with some or maybe most on the list.
> >>>>>>> Here is what I came to say.  Shame on you all.  You need to
> >>> take
> >>>>>> an inventory for what you have.  Most of you can run me in the
> >>>>>> ground.  I struggle with technology.  I always have.
> >>>>>>> I talked with Mike about 10 years ago.  Apparently you do not
> >>>>>> know that Mike experienced a traumatic brain injury.
> >>>>>>> Mike do not let this get to you.  It is just junior and senior
> >>>>>> high BS.
> >>>>>>> I've been on this list since 1999 or 2000.  Some of the
> >>>>>> questions I ask are probably annoying.  I use Google and as of
> >>>>>> late have started using ChatGPT (AI) to seek information.  The
> >>>>>> latter seems to do a better job.
> >>>>>>> I believe we are all here because of our common goal to work
> >>>>>> with, learn, and enjoy Open Source - I know I am.  I also know
> >>> we
> >>>>>> do not live in a vacuum. Other things overflow that are not Open
> >>>>>> Source.
> >>>>>>> We are a community.  I could go as far as to say we are a
> >>>>>> family.  I heard a pastor say once that families prepare us for
> >>>>>> the world.  I guess families have a lot of strife.
> >>>>>>> Keith
> >>>>>>>> On 2024-06-15 22:54, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>>>>>>> There's been a long thread of people mocking somebody who
> >>> asked
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>> stupid question. Yeah, the guy's annoying; annoying Open
> >>>>>> Sourceenough that I piped
> >>>>>>>> all his posts to /dev/null starting two or three years ago.
> >>>>>> This thread
> >>>>>>>> worsens the list's signal to noise, and personally, it
> >>>>>> constantly
> >>>>>>>> reminds me of the annoying person I killfiled years ago.
> >>>>>>>> I have a suggestion. If the guy annoys you, either ignore him,
> >>>>>> correct
> >>>>>>>> him offlist, or killfile him and move on. There's no need to
> >>>>>> mess up
> >>>>>>>> the list with mockery. Whether you believe, as I do, that he's
> >>>>>> an
> >>>>>>>> attention seeking troll who thinks his stupidity is cute, or
> >>>>>> whether
> >>>>>>>> you believe his behavior is entirely caused by some sort of
> >>>>>> brain
> >>>>>>>> injury, either way, the on-list mockery does no good for
> >>>>>> anybody.
> >>>>>>>> Ignore him, correct him offlist, or killfile him and move on.
> >>>>>>>> SteveT
> >>>>>>>> Steve Litt
> >>>>>>>> Autumn 2023 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century
> >>>>>>>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21
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