I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

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I posted a video to YouTube about "is college worth it" This is my 
personal experience  :  https://youtu.be/r-QXn8clLoQ



On 2023-07-16 20:03, George Toft via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> There was no judgement in my statements - just observations and
> arithmetic.  Nor am I making any assertion about value - indeed, for
> my current role, my value is only determined by the lack of Eric
> Snowden type of security breaches.
> 
> If you want to hear judgements, I can digress on how
> government-backed, guaranteed, student loans inflated the price of
> education, and how the government should have never gotten involved
> with it and they shouldn't have nationalized it,  but I won't :) Funny
> you should mention the competition.  I had a friend from Singapore who
> had to go to England for her Undergraduate degree and then to the US
> for her Graduate because she couldn't get into college in Singapore.
> 
> I have been a staunch supporter of the college system in this country,
> but I work with people who have no college, and some of us have
> Graduate degrees.  For the field I'm in, one could self-learn and
> avoid college.  And as I retrain for my next career, I have also
> returned to college and am becoming very disillusioned.  The
> curriculum is teaching tool sets rather than concepts, and at this
> point, I can pick up some vendor training and certifications for 
> freehttps://youtu.be/r-QXn8clLoQ
> and some 4-day industry workshops for the same price as a 3 semester
> hour class.  So why should I go to college?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> George Toft
> 
> On 7/7/2023 2:39 PM, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> 
>> :So you're saying the Indians and Argientinans obviously deserved
>> the job more than you since they would do the same work for less
>> money?  Also, why would an American be better at the job than
>> someone from anywhere else?  Or are you saying you are better than
>> most of your peers in general, you're part of the 20% of your
>> profession who generate 80% of the value.  I mean the competition to
>> get into a third-world government university is fierce, especially
>> if it's ranked.  The selectivity of admission rates match MIT and
>> Stanford, theoretically Indian and Chinese computer scientists as a
>> population should outperform their European, and even more their
>> American competition.
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 2:29 PM George Toft via PLUG-discuss
>> <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> The only shortage that exists is technical people with Bachelors
>>> Degrees
>>> willing to work for minimum wage.
>>> 
>>> Case in point.  My employer is required to post HR crap in the
>>> public
>>> spaces (break rooms).  One of the posts showed Tata Consultancy
>>> was
>>> providing a DBA for $66K/year.  Tata takes 1/3 (typical), so the
>>> resource is getting $44K/year ($22/hr).  My kids make more than
>>> that
>>> with a High School education.  This is what the young people are
>>> competing against, so why go into this field?
>>> 
>>> Another case in point.  My job got outsourced to Argentina and the
>>> 
>>> resources were getting $6/hr.  I later heard it got raised to
>>> $10/hr.
>>> That was still 1/4 of what I was making.  Even if the Argentinians
>>> 
>>> screwed up and had to rework a task, the company still saved 50%
>>> over
>>> hiring an American on that task, and they are elated at the cost
>>> savings.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> George Toft
>>> 
>>> On 6/7/2023 3:29 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>> On 2023-06-07 13:59, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>>> Generally, if I hear it from cable news, there's a good chance
>>> it's
>>>>> just someone drumming up support for something.  In this case,
>>> we'll
>>>>> probably hear about some kind of H1B system to make sure the
>>> new fabs
>>>>> get all the people they need, etc.  Same deal as when I was
>>> working at
>>>>> a company that got bought by Dell, and they failed to retain
>>> most of
>>>>> the new employees because they didn't have a structure that
>>> worked
>>>>> with professionals.  Suddenly you saw Michael Dell doing an
>>> interview
>>>>> on CNBC about the need to extend H1B 'cause they aren't getting
>>> enough
>>>>> workers.  At the very least, there's plenty of incentive to
>>> drive down
>>>>> labor costs.  And with the halts for new housing going out,
>>> there is a
>>>>> LOT of incentive to manipulate the market.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am I being paranoid?  I probably need to touch more grass.
>>>> 
>>>> Are you getting too paranoid?  Maybe not.  I quit following the
>>> news
>>>> because I think most are fearmongering and not talking and
>>> working on
>>>> the real problems.
>>>> 
>>>> I personally do not like the H1B visas because I do not think
>>> they are
>>>> necessary. If there is really a shortage of tech workers then
>>> why is
>>>> there not a few major tech universities?  Why does Gates exploit
>>> the
>>>> H1B and not create a really great tech university? And why do
>>> the
>>>> politicians allow all of this?
>>>> 
>>>> We have all we need right here in our 50 states, so why do we
>>> not do
>>>> things that benefit ourselves and possibly others?
>>>> 
>>>> These people like Michael Dell, Bill Gates, etc have forgotten
>>> where
>>>> they came from.
>>>> 
>>>> QUESTION?
>>>> 
>>>> I understand TSMC produces the most chips in the world, and is
>>> located
>>>> in Taiwan .  Where did they get that technology and who paid for
>>> that
>>>> technology?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 1:15 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss
>>>>> <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Don't believe everything you read on the internet.  I've read
>>> that
>>>>>> Abraham Lincoln blames Donald Trump for giving the gun to John
>>>>>> Wilkes Booth.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/6/23 17:45, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>>>>> Chip maker TSMC is moving to chandler and I have read they
>>> are a
>>>>>>> sweatshop....
>>>>>>> 
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