I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop

[der.hans]

Am 16. Jul, 2023 schwätzte Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss so:

> Thank you der.hans for opening a bag of worms.  Everything today is political

I did not open a bag of worms. I am very much closing the bag that had
already been opened. Discrimination is not acceptable.

> and I do not blame folks for having negative opinions on this subject.

Discrimination and Auslanderhass ( hate of foreigners ) are not political,
they are discrimination and prejudice.

This is a technical and community list, not a political list.

There are many places on the Internet for politcal trolling, PLUG is not
one of them.

ciao,

der.hans

> I agree "People coming from other countries are still people.".  However we 
> let way too many people in.  No need to import a bunch of Taiwanese so we can 
> subsidize Taiwan at the expense of the AMERICAN taxpayer.
>
> I'll try to stay on course.
>
> 1. Why did the US Government just subsidize the chip industry?
>    - I think it was so the folks in congress could grow rich and some think 
> some of this cash makes it's way back to the those in offices.
> 2. How did Nancy Pelosi get so rich?  Some think it was the insider trading. 
> She entered office 30 years ago and was worth $3 million.  Today she is worth 
> $300 million.  I think that is why she wanted to be speaker - to direct 
> policy in such a way to make her rich.  Her husband got caught investing in 
> the chip industry just as congress was voting on the gift they were going to 
> give to the chip industry.  He immediately pulled out of those investments.
>
> Lets talk about Bill Gates and the H1B system.  It is my understanding Gates 
> is the number one user of H1B.  I understand he continues to complain about a 
> shortage of qualified labor.  What has he done to fix the problem?  Lobby 
> Congress for more.
>
> Why has Gates failed to create the best tech college in the world and 
> identify the best of the best in AMERICA and train them?
>
> John F. Kennedy said it best "Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You..."
>
> I know we try to stay away from politics on this list and I know I am 
> probably one of the most outspoken. We are in a bad place as a nation.  If we 
> stay the course we will lose this country soon.  We do not live in a vacuum.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2023-07-16 13:26, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> Am 07. Jul, 2023 schwätzte Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss so:
>> 
>> This is highly offensive and completely inappropriate.
>> 
>> People coming from other countries are still people.
>> 
>> PLUG has had members from many countries throughout the group's history.
>> We currently have members from several countries. No one should have to 
>> deal
>> with discrimination within our group.
>> 
>> I will ignore the inaccuracy of the statements because being wrong is 
>> inconsequential compared to the offensiveness.
>> 
>> ciao,
>> 
>> der.hans
>> 
>>> I would not be surprised if the US also happened to grant them a load of
>>> H1B visas as part of the deal to do just that, and I'm sure people will
>>> line up across the island to get on that gravy train, particularly to
>>> escape while they still can before China says No.  Like most any one here
>>> on visa, they'll drop a kid at first chance, then in like Flynn...
>>> 
>>> I guess someone has to clean the toilets though for local work still, if
>>> that isn't roboticized too by now.
>>> 
>>> -mb
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 1:07 PM George Toft via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> My younger son worked at the local 3rd Party MVD.  He was talking to one
>>>> of the TSMC Managers who came in to register a vehicle about the local 
>>>> jobs
>>>> TSMC will create.  She assured him that was not the case - most of the
>>>> workers will come from Taiwan.
>>>> 
>>>> This may very well be the case if an American won't work in a sweatshop,
>>>> but a *Taiwanese will for the opportunity to work in America.*
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> George Toft
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/7/2023 1:59 PM, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Generally, if I hear it from cable news, there's a good chance it's just
>>>> someone drumming up support for something.  In this case, we'll probably
>>>> hear about some kind of H1B system to make sure the new fabs get all the
>>>> people they need, etc.  Same deal as when I was working at a company that
>>>> got bought by Dell, and they failed to retain most of the new employees
>>>> because they didn't have a structure that worked with professionals.
>>>> Suddenly you saw Michael Dell doing an interview on CNBC about the need 
>>>> to
>>>> extend H1B 'cause they aren't getting enough workers.  At the very least,
>>>> there's plenty of incentive to drive down labor costs.  And with the 
>>>> halts
>>>> for new housing going out, there is a LOT of incentive to manipulate the
>>>> market.
>>>> 
>>>> Am I being paranoid?  I probably need to touch more grass.
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 1:15 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
>>>> plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Don't believe everything you read on the internet.  I've read that
>>>>> Abraham Lincoln blames Donald Trump for giving the gun to John Wilkes
>>>>> Booth.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/6/23 17:45, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>>>> Chip maker TSMC is moving to chandler and I have read they are a
>>>>>> sweatshop....
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