In need of some info

Tue Oct 18 13:21:04 MST 2022

On 2022-10-18 12:30, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> I'd think using Chrome might be better b/c it’s engine is used far
> more widely than the others, including MS’ Edge browser, Chrome, and
> Opera.

Interesting point - point taken.

> 
> There’s a movement afoot to use JS as a sort of “universal
> assembly language”. The great benefit here is that unlike stuff like
> Java’s JVM, JS is far more widespread since it’s implemented in
> every web browser, although not 100% identically (even though
> standards groups are doing their best to get there).
> 
> As such, there’s a growing base of tools that let you write code in
> a higher-level language that gets translated into JS. So why teach JS?
> Why not focus on one of the HLLs that gets compiled down into JS?
> 

My tutorial is for teaching beginners how to program.  I think JS might 
be the easiest entry point since all that is needed is 1) computer or 
laptop, 2) modern browser, 3) file system, and 4) text editor.

Nothing to download or install unless the person taking the course does 
not have the specified browser.

One can learn HTML, Cascading Style Sheets (CSS), JavaScript, and even 
AJAX with limited tools.  For AJAX I recommend downloading one of the 
libraries to make life easier and to account for the browser 
differences.

> While I realize that most Linux folk are allergic to anything
> commercial, someone has to pay the bill for truly innovative stuff.
> Some products I’ve been working with for a long time are from a
> company called TMS Software. I work with Delphi, which was derived
> from Borland’s TurboPascal line, and TMS is one of the few premium
> component library vendors left in the market. In this case, they have
> been working on something called WebCore for a few years now that uses
> an open-source tool called pas2js to translate Delphi’s ObjectPascal
> code into JS. Their WebCore facility isn’t free, but it does work
> and run standalone inside of the Visual Studio Code environment — no
> Delphi IDE is required. It allows you to use their visual designer to
> lay out forms and write event handlers in Delphi’s ObjectPascal
> language, which is then translated into JS and packaged into a few
> files that can be uploaded to your web host and run in the web browser
> as a web app. You’ve gotta see it to believe it!
> 
> You can see a relatively simple app I built as my first non-trivial
> test with WebCore at the following URL. It took me about an our to
> write this app.
> 
> BestKeywordMixer.com [2]

Very interesting.  So you can create an entire web app this way?  Sounds 
like it would speed up the process. Rapid Application Development which 
is what is missing on this Interweb thingy.

I took a look at the JS code and it looks very advanced.

> 
> -David Schwartz
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2022, at 7:14 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
>> <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Aaron, Retro64XYZ, David, Eric, SteveT, and Phil!
>> 
>> I am trying to get a YouTube channel going.  I've been on top dead
>> center for a few years. Everything is ready I just need to start
>> making and posting videos.  I am a PHP dev and would like to share
>> what I know.  I also would like to launch an open source project at
>> some point.
>> 
>> To start with I am thinking of teaching programming using JavaScript
>> which would require a browser, an editor, some basic understanding
>> of HTML and Cascading Style Sheets (CSS).  This could ultimately
>> lead to learning AJAX.
>> 
>> The reason I asked about FireFox is because JavaScript is quirky and
>> each browser implements it's JavaScript interpreter a little
>> different.  To avoid that I would like to work with one browser.
>> 
>> Thank You For Your Feedback!!
>> Keith
>> 
>> On 2022-10-18 05:28, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> On Tue, 2022-10-18 at 01:42 -0700, Phil Waclawski wrote:
>> Kate or gedit  are solid text editors for Linux, which are very like
>> notepad++ which is a good text editor for windows
>> Notepad on windows really shouldn't  be used for anything anymore
>> Phil W
>> I can't use Kate because I kicked KDE and all its libraries and
>> executables off my
>> computer almost a decade ago. I just tried gedit and it's the
>> perfect simple
>> intuitive editor.
>> By the way, I re-tried Nano and it's not that bad. If I didn't know
>> Vim or Emacs (I
>> actually don't know Emacs), and if I were in a pure no-X CLI
>> environment where I
>> couldn't use gedit, Nano would be fine. Heck, it's a lot like
>> Wordstar.
>> SteveT
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