Oracle's VirtualBox RANT

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On 2022-11-15 10:40, JD Austin via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> I was going to reply the same. Set the network to bridged instead of
> nat, which the default.

NAT give me access to the internet, however I cannot reach from my local 
net.

Bridged gives me access on my network, however I do not have access to 
the Internet.

Any help much appreciated.

Keith



> 
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 10:20 AM Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss
> <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> 
>> This sounds more like a network problem than a virtual box problem.
>> When I set up my virtual machines I use bridged networking and let
>> DHCP give out the address it should also tell the virtual machine
>> the route to the internet.
>> 
>> What IP address are you getting when you have access to the
>> internet, and what address do you get when you're connected to the
>> local network?
>> 
>> This just sounds like a routing issue
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 7:42 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
>> <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> As you probably know I am struggling to configure Oracle's
>>> VirtualBox
>>> for web development testing.
>>> 
>>> VirtualBox is a mess.  I cannot get it to work for PHP testing.
>>> It will
>>> either work external so I can build the server OR I can make it
>>> visible
>>> to my local net and I am not able to pull in any packages.
>>> 
>>> My expectation was that I could download and install VB then
>>> create a
>>> guest instance and configure my VM as I like, and in my case I
>>> want to
>>> have it have an IP on my local private network, and be able to put
>>> that
>>> IP in my browser and do some testing.
>>> 
>>> VirtualBox in my opinion is what is wrong with technology.  I've
>>> said it
>>> before and I'll say it again, technology has become too difficult.
>>> Case
>>> in point, last year I configured a full-stack host in my home
>>> office.
>>> This was complete with BIND, Postfix, and Dovecot.  With a little
>>> studying Bind is doable. Postfix, and Dovecot on the other hand
>>> are
>>> total enigmas.  I probably need to spend 30 or 40 hours to
>>> understand
>>> setting up and configuring Postfix, and Dovecot.
>>> 
>>> I was able to get things to work, however I still do not know how.
>>> 
>>> PHP is the same in my opinion.  To be a PHP dev requires a large
>>> stack
>>> of technologies.  I'm starting to feel the barrier to entry is too
>>> high.
>>> About 3 years ago I attended several AzPHP meetings and I was
>>> amazed to
>>> discover that the top programmers actually were embracing this
>>> level of
>>> complexity. There was one guy,who is accomplished, that actually
>>> looked
>>> down on anyone who was not at his level.  Yikes!!
>>> 
>>> I'm talking about things like Composer and dependency injection.
>>> Anyone
>>> know there is three ways to configure and use dependency
>>> injection.  I
>>> do not recall all 3 off the top of my head.
>>> 
>>> CodeIgniter 1 and 2 used dependency injection in a way that hid
>>> the
>>> complexities of dependency injection.  It was so subtle that you
>>> don't
>>> even know you are implementing dependency injection.
>>> 
>>> I really liked CodeIgniter 1 and 2.  It hid the complexities of
>>> web
>>> development and was the closest thing I've seen in web development
>>> that
>>> was rapid application development (RAD).
>>> 
>>> One of the things I really liked about CodeIgniter  was it's
>>> simplicity.
>>> A middle school kid could learn enough about it in a weekend to
>>> start
>>> building something.
>>> 
>>> Back to VirtualBox... It is entirely too complicated and I'm not
>>> sure
>>> why.  Can anyone shed light on this?
>>> 
>>> I read that everyone should learn how to program.  Why?
>>> Programming
>>> itself is simple... doing anything remotely useful requires you
>>> get down
>>> into the mud of the complexities of building an application.
>>> 
>>> I fell in love with programming at the UofA in 1983.  I feel in
>>> love
>>> with Linux in 1998 when a friend told me about it. Yes I'm old.
>>> And I've
>>> seen a lot.
>>> 
>>> What was VirtualBox created for and does it need to be so complex?
>>> 
>>> Keith
>>> 
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