https://www.zerohedge.com/political/59-million-americans-prohibited-buying-high-end-dell-gaming-pcs

Tue Aug 3 17:27:31 MST 2021

I should have done more research.  My apologies about Gates and his 
farmland.

On 2021-08-03 10:12, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> I'd like to point out that while you say global warming is bunk (I'm
> not saying it is or it isn't) but then you throw out a crazy theory of
> Bill Gates taking control because he has about 300k in acres of
> farmland. Having the most doesn't mean all, there are still 910
> million more acres of farmland he doesn't control.
> 
> The problem we are facing is too much misinformation and not enough
> people that can figure out which is the bad information. On all sorts
> of topics.
> 
> And these usually end up being shouting matches.
> 
> So my vote goes to close the topic.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 9:38 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> 
>> I am one of the main offenders and I apologize.
>> 
>> I appreciate you Michael.  You were one of the people who responded
>> to
>> my questions about Postfix/Dovecot.  I am further along and have a
>> functioning server, however Postfix/Dovecot is still too much of a
>> mystery to me.  I need to learn more.
>> 
>> Michael, your post made me think.  This tread started by discussing
>> a
>> political faction that wants to impose their will on us.
>> 
>> We are a political organization even if we think we are not.  Lets
>> look
>> a possible scenario.
>> 
>> As you may not know Bill Gates is the single biggest owner of farm
>> land.
>> That should scare you.  What if he does not farm that land for a
>> year?
>> That could cause severe food shortages.  Who's your daddy?
>> 
>> A little closer to home.  Bill Gates uses his influence (money) to
>> gain
>> control of some key players and next thing you know Linux is banned
>> because evil hackers use it to hack other people's servers... Now
>> the
>> Government is telling us we MUST use Windows only.  The entire Apple
>> 
>> apparatus is undone and Linux is illegal.
>> 
>> So we must be politically involved to some degree.
>> 
>> On 2021-08-03 07:38, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>> Ugh, these pseudo political/religious threads are best served
>>> elsewhere, perhaps create a plug-politics group so the CNN vs. Fox
>>> News crowds to argue in.  Otherwise, can we just go back to
>> technology
>>> and not how much the world sucks these days?  Tired of checking
>> the
>>> list for new updates with this drivel, if I wanted politics, I'd
>> hit a
>>> cancerous mailing list built for it.
>>> 
>>> -mb
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 7:15 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
>>> <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In spite of my beliefs that there is no global warming I would
>> like
>>>> to
>>>> convert my house to all electric and put as much solar on my roof
>> as
>>>> it
>>>> will take.  My goal is net zero house budget.
>>>> If possible I'd like to have no electric or gas bill and generate
>>>> enough
>>>> electricity that my rebate would pay for my property taxes and
>>>> water/sewer bill.
>>>> 
>>>> This is the right thing to do for me.  I do not like all the
>>>> chemicals
>>>> that go into solar ... but what are you going to do?
>>>> 
>>>> I see there are a number of auto manufactures that are getting
>> into
>>>> the
>>>> electric vehicle production.  I'd like one as a toy.  What I
>> really
>>>> would like for my daily driver is a 1969 SS 396 4 speed nova.  I
>> had
>>>> a
>>>> number of muscle cars and it has been my goal to own another one
>>>> before
>>>> I die.
>>>> 
>>>> Some want to bring the left and the right together.  I think it
>> is
>>>> impossible.  Steve you believe in global warming and potentially
>> a
>>>> number of other left leaning ideologies.  I on the other hand do
>> not
>>>> 
>>>> believe in a lot of that stuff and just want to live free.
>>>> 
>>>> Another thing we need as Americans is revival.  We need to turn
>> back
>>>> to
>>>> God and make Jesus our Lord and Savior.
>>>> 
>>>> Why has the USA driven the global markets for some time in the
>> past?
>>>> 
>>>> God's provision.
>>>> 
>>>> On 2021-08-02 12:21, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>>> Matthew Gibson said on Mon, 2 Aug 2021 11:56:48 -0700
>>>>> 
>>>>>> And if you have your way we will be looking a lot like
>> Venezuela
>>>> or
>>>>>> Cuba.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And if you have your way, 2060 Americans would gleefully trade
>>>> places
>>>>> with today's Venezuelans or Cubans.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now, aside from attempting to force your will upon me and
>>>> society,
>>>>>> what can you personally do to lower your carbon footprint?
>>>>> 
>>>>> The preceding is a good question, one that I and every other
>>>> person
>>>>> needs to consider and answer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Already I use LED bulbs everywhere, I drive my 2.0 liter Jeep
>> less
>>>> than
>>>>> 8000 miles a year, I run my summer thermostat at 78 farenheit.
>>>> That's
>>>>> the starting point.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Due to this discussion I've been watching my activities. I
>>>> currently
>>>>> use purified cold water from the fridge to make my hot tea.
>> That's
>>>>> stupid: I need to find a way to filter water without
>> refrigerating
>>>> it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can get better attic insulation. This costs quite a bit of
>>>> money, but
>>>>> it's the right thing to do and will save money in the long run.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can keep my backup server turned off except when doing
>> backups.
>>>> I
>>>>> already do this most of the time: I could do it all of the time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can get my ceiling fans repaired/replaced so we can run the
>>>>> thermostat at 79 or 80 degrees.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll continue contemplating your question. It's an excellent
>> one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> SteveT
>>>>> 
>>>>> Steve Litt
>>>>> Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the
>>>> Successful
>>>>> Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
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