https://www.zerohedge.com/political/59-million-americans-prohibited-buying-high-end-dell-gaming-pcs

[Eric Oyen]

I was going to go into a long involved essay on this citing many facts and figures, but I won’t. You cited these numbers, now show your work with sources.

Some of your figures don’t account for changes in population versus use by sector or total energy = total used + total wasted. It also doesn’t explain how China managed to use over 50% of the planetary supply of coal in 2020 (more than double that of the US for the same period) And that is just coal. (See the fortune article here: https://fortune.com/2021/03/29/china-coal-energy-electricity-xi-jinping-2020-ember/) and it also doesn’t properly explain energy efficiency taking into account usage by sector (see https://www.indy100.com/news/the-world-s-most-energy-efficient-countries-7334291 ). It also doesn’t account for changes in technology in the energy sector, in specific changes in technology in the transportation sector since 1965 (see https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/09/20190930-sivak.html) or changes in price per gallon of various fossil fuels since 1965 (see Cost of gas the year you were born | The State <https://www.thestate.com/news/databases/article68603317.html>).

Now, as for your other points, please show me hard data (in accessible format for the blind) over the last 30 years showing actual facts, verified data that isn’t cherry picked, padded or otherwise pulled out of thin air) on those points. Only then can we have a reasonable discussion. So far, you haven’t really shown much on those other points.

SO, please, show your data and show your source that supports it. Talking points (regardless of political leaning) are just not acceptable.

-Eric
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> On Jul 28, 2021, at 1:13 AM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> 
> Eric Oyen via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 27 Jul 2021 22:53:09 -0700
> 
>> So, guys, nice little debate we all got snagged into here because of
>> some state regulations that would prevent nearly 60 million people
>> from owning technologies that would make their lives more convenient.
>> Regulations put in place by politicians who know nothing of real
>> science and are trying to kiss up to china. Now, where does that leave
>> us?
> 
> It leaves us with 60 million people who can't game quite as hard. Boo
> hoo hoo. 
> 
> What's this fascination with China that you all have? China uses the
> energy equivalent of 27,018 million barrels of oil for 1394 million
> people, equalling 19.4 barrels per person. The US uses the equivalent of
> 18,684 million barrels and has 328 million people, equaling 56.9
> barrels per person.
> 
> So here's the question: If some country using almost triple the energy
> per person than your country says *you* are the problem and should cut,
> and they won't do squat until you cut, what would you say to them? 
> 
> You ask where it leaves us. Hey, if you're 60 years old, it leaves you
> having lived a pretty fun life. If you're 20 years old, it leaves you
> with a very hard (and probably considerably foreshortened) second half
> of your life. If you were just born today, by the time you graduate
> college, the world will be rife with climate refugees and water wars,
> and by the time you're 50, if you last that long, the population
> decline will be brutal and pretty universal except for the very rich.
> All because everybody in 2021 said the other guy should cut his
> emissions first.
> 
> One more thing: Some friends of mine ran the numbers and according to
> them the California computer energy standards aren't as strict as those
> of the EU.
> 
> I feel not a bit of sorrow for the 60 million potential gamers who play
> at a slight disadvantage, if they play at all. I feel sorry for their
> grandchildren.
> 
> SteveT
> 
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