is my power supply dieing?

[Stephen Partington]

80 to 89 C yes that is bad. 7 bux in some thermal compound, some paper
towels, and rubbing alcohol. I would look here if your fans are working but
temps are absurd.


On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:05 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Do 80 is bad? Mine was at 89 when I first started it
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:48 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> This is a good point too, I actually just did this on my xps15 as well as
>> they are known to be badly thermal pasted from the factory, and some years
>> later, same thing as Stephen described.  That wasn't too bad, redid the cpu
>> and gpu with high quality stuff, and allowed me to do some mods with
>> thermal tape some of the mosfet chips to the case others found works well
>> too.
>>
>> This could be your cpu or gpu here that use large heatsinks.
>>
>> I also had a heatsink once pop off a southbridge on my mobo too that
>> caused some havoc, and once on my dell server raid, thinking about my
>> adventures in computing over the years.
>>
>> Moral of the story, heat kills.
>>
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 7:09 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I just had to partially rebuild a friends computer because the thermal
>>> compound used in their system had petrified. they went from 89C down to 30C
>>> after I cleaned and replaced the compound. (Partial disassembly was
>>> required to unmount the HSF *String of expletives censored*
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 7:07 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Agreed, and even more so, I have seen internal PSU fans die too, so
>>>> make sure to check that.
>>>>
>>>> -mb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 10:41 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss <
>>>> plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure all your fans are running, including in your power supply?
>>>>> If you CPU fan secured properly and has good (Not dried out) thermal
>>>>> paste on it.  If you took your CPU fan off and it had some of that
>>>>> thermal waxy stuff on it and you just put it back on, it's probably
>>>>> not
>>>>> conducting heat very well.  I would take it back off and scrape all
>>>>> that
>>>>> stuff off and put some proper thermal compound on it in it's place.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my experience, if your computer is randomly locking up, it's
>>>>> usually
>>>>> heat related.  Although it CAN be the power supply, usually power
>>>>> supplies just tend to outright die and will refuse to turn on your
>>>>> machine when they go bad.  The other things are bad RAM and bad
>>>>> software.... but if you've tested your ram and you haven't changed
>>>>> anything software wise, I would look for a heat related issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian Cluff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/12/20 7:49 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>>> > OK.... well, I ran stress and gearsglx and the computer ran fine for
>>>>> > about 5 minutes and then it froze. so this means it is the hardware?
>>>>> > so I guess.... is it the power supply? what else could it be? how can
>>>>> > I verify or else is it a shot in the dark?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 10:17 PM Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> thanks for shaaring your experiances with me!
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 10:58 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
>>>>> >> <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>> >>> That is about how my laptop was acting using the i915 driver vs.
>>>>> the intel kernel mode driver...  Maybe make sure you're not using that, by
>>>>> default you shouldn't. I ended up with it trying to make prime gpu
>>>>> switching work.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> It could be gpu related still, most browsers use hardware
>>>>> acceleration that could be hitting it.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Try running glx-gears for a while in full-screen to see how it
>>>>> acts if it dies when heating up.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I also had an older system that was locking up seemingly whenever
>>>>> I'd hit the graphics.  Turns out the gpu fan went bad, with ambient case
>>>>> fans keeping it cool enough off the heatsink, but watching a movie or
>>>>> something that hit the gpu, it would crash.  Tearing it open it was then
>>>>> obvious the fan wasn't working.  Of course I couldn't find a fan that fit
>>>>> the stupid thing, so I ended up buying a new gpu for it, all was well.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Only ever had one PSU that got wonky on me to crash intermittently
>>>>> in some 25 years of building pc's, but it happens...
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Also, boot up and in grub run memtestx86 on it, bad memory sectors
>>>>> can cause grief too with intermittent locks, usually the more ram you
>>>>> invoke, you'll hit the bad spot.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> -mb
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 9:36 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>>>>> plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>> >>>> you know.... it seems that the first time of the day I start it it
>>>>> >>>> runs a few minutes and then freezes. but upon subsequent restarts
>>>>> >>>> everything is good.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 8:18 PM Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>> I have ssh installed on my system but to ssh into another system
>>>>> you
>>>>> >>>>> need ssh-server installed on your computer but I can't find it. I
>>>>> >>>>> guess I'm wrong. What else do you need installed?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 8:03 PM Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>> I think my issue might also be grafix related because when it
>>>>> first
>>>>> >>>>>> started doing this the dark areas on my desktop picture would
>>>>> turn
>>>>> >>>>>> blue when it froze. I do have another system. Could you walk me
>>>>> >>>>>> through solving the problem?
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 11:11 AM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss
>>>>> >>>>>> <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>> It really could be about anything, hardware or software.
>>>>> Unplug everything unnecessary, even usb things, and just see if it locks up
>>>>> then.  I've had psu's do this, video cards, ram, even usb devices cause
>>>>> weird hardware-ish problems.  Check dmesg and /var/log as well for
>>>>> errors/events, could indicate a flaky device.
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> Also software - upgrading ram recently, I also updated my
>>>>> system since I had to reboot anyways, and my pc began locking up every 2
>>>>> days.  I thought the new ram perhaps was bad, but memtest looked ok.  It
>>>>> took some digging, but guess I picked up a bug in using an old intel
>>>>> graphics driver inadvertently, removed that driver, and I've had 70 days of
>>>>> uptime since.
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> I had to get a bit creative to diag this, including sshing
>>>>> into it from another system when it did lock up.  Turns out it was graphics
>>>>> related, just the display froze, but the system worked otherwise headless.
>>>>> This led me to investigate graphics as a source of the lockups to fix at a
>>>>> driver level.  If you have another system available, I'd suggest that.
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> -mb
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 6:36 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>>>>> plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>> sometimes my computer freezes. is iut the power supply?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
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rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.

Stephen
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