KDE turned 22 today

Fri Oct 26 17:33:39 MST 2018

Hmmm.
I never noticed those breakages much, but then, I was using a lowly little HD screen here with magnification up nearly all the way. Also, I would never leave the desktop running logged in for any appreciable amount of time. When I was done using, I would log off and kill the monitor (no sense burning extra electric).

Being total now, I don’t even have to worry much about the screen.

So, how to solve the breakages in KDE? Well, it seems to me that one should start with the individual apps and then work on the DM once the apps are working properly. Now, I am not a coder (except of firewall scripts for OpenBSD PF and the old IPTables system), so I am not entirely sure how much work would have to go into this. Also, you figure after 15 years of being bugged, some developer somewhere would have finally gotten tired of it and either quit (which has happened) or actually fix some of the issues (so far, it doesn’t appear so).

Now, I am no fan of unity (or gnome for that matter), but that is the desktop that works with ORCA and some of the secondary screen readers out there. Also, there are some good apps inside the GTK tree that I have found useful over the years (like GEDIT) and Apple has a clone of their own called TextEdit (your basic word processor). Both are in different ecologies but operate nearly the same in form and function. Besides, I like simple. :)

In any case, I would like to be able to use other desktop environments just in case I end up working in a place that uses them.

-Eric

> On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Michael Butash <michael at butash.net> wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't say *all* they need to do, considering all the issues I've seen trying to use it over the past decade and a half.  
> 
> For me, their multi-monitor support is still dysfunctional since the 4.0 days when I began using 3-6 displays.  I use kde when I can on my laptop, but even when using an external laptop there, or my 3 displays on my desktop, it's still always really weird in a number of ways.  Their kwin compositor really sucks at ultra high resolutions too, totally destabilizes the os over time.  High res as in 3x 4k displays at 11520x2160, which is quickly becoming the new norm in displays, it can't seem to keep up and not leak itself to death.
> 
> I've been posting and arguing with the kde folk on multi-monitor issues for years <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356225> about some of the more annoying behaviors, and I'm not alone as the thread is quite long, and there are many others.  I end up using cinnamon as a result now mostly.  KDE4 they marked the worst issues multi-mon issues (refusing to save display arrangement settings!) as "won't fix", and still haven't made things much better in 5.  Here's hope for future versions, maybe some new blood will give a damn to fix persistent core display issues and quit worrying about pedantic visuals.
> 
> My laptop is really odd - I can't even start kde on it since upgrading 16.04 to 18.04 ubuntu.  Not taking the time to debug it, but using default ubuntu gnome, which I hate almost as much as Unity until I can fix it.
> 
> I'd love to hear from someone actually using kmail too.  I've tried at least a half-dozen times over the years to use it in place of thunderbird, but it never fails to crap all over itself in broken ways, fetching, indexing, and in general just crashing with different imap services.  I finally just got used to gmail in chrome with some extensions.
> 
> KRDC, a KDE app for windoze rdp and vnc client, still after at least 6-8 years will randomly change the entire key mapping during use.  You don't really realize what is going on until windows change, things start closing, and random selections occur as you type.  Then I realize I need to shut it down and restart the rdp session because it went stupid again.  I assume I'm the only person still using it.
> 
> One thing I absolutely love that I still run under Cinnamon is KDE Connect for phone integration with an android client.  Mostly because when I get a call, it mutes my music automatically, and can control my pc remotely.  About the only reminder of KDE left I use that doesn't annoy me.
> 
> KDE and derivative apps are great in concept, but otherwise leaves much to be desired for long-term use with these nagging persistent issues that never get fixed, which using it off and on again over 15 years or so I think I can say with experience.  So much potential squandered imho.
> 
> -mb
> 
> On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 11:00 PM Eric Oyen <eric.oyen at icloud.com <mailto:eric.oyen at icloud.com>> wrote:
> Now, all they need to do to make KDE perfect: add screen reader accessibility as an API. This way, ORCA could be used.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
> > On Oct 14, 2018, at 10:09 PM, der.hans <PLUGd at LuftHans.com> wrote:
> > 
> > moin moin,
> > 
> > today is the 22nd anniversary of the start of KDE.
> > 
> > https://www.kde.org/announcements/announcement.php <https://www.kde.org/announcements/announcement.php>
> > 
> > KDE has a timeline of important milestones starting with the creation of
> > UNIX.
> > 
> > https://timeline.kde.org/ <https://timeline.kde.org/>
> > 
> > ciao,
> > 
> > der.hans
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