system freezes sometimes

Andrew McRobb andrewmcrobb at gmail.com
Fri Dec 14 14:30:57 MST 2018


I would run Memtest and see whats going on first. Random freezes can be a
sign of bad RAM, especially if you are using older computer parts. I would
first run Memtest from the boot menu of your OS and test the sticks and see
if any errors throw up.

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 9:18 PM Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> this is a new happening. the computer has hummed along nicely for more
> than two years now.
> $ sudo lshw
> [sudo] password for bmike1:
> mikesbeast
>     description: Desktop Computer
>     product: GA-MA785G-UD3H
>     vendor: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
>     width: 64 bits
>     capabilities: smbios-2.4 dmi-2.4 vsyscall32
>     configuration: boot=normal chassis=desktop
> uuid=36434630-3439-3032-3031-3031FFFFFFFF
>   *-core
>        description: Motherboard
>        product: GA-MA785G-UD3H
>        vendor: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
>        physical id: 0
>        version: x.x
>      *-firmware
>           description: BIOS
>           vendor: Award Software International, Inc.
>           physical id: 0
>           version: F4
>           date: 09/16/2009
>           size: 128KiB
>           capacity: 960KiB
>           capabilities: isa pci pnp apm upgrade shadowing cdboot
> bootselect socketedrom edd int13floppy360 int13floppy1200 int13floppy720
> int13floppy2880 int5printscreen int9keyboard int14serial int17printer
> int10video acpi usb agp ls120boot zipboot biosbootspecification
>      *-cpu
>           description: CPU
>           product: AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 Processor
>           vendor: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]
>           physical id: 4
>           bus info: cpu at 0
>           version: AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 Processor
>           slot: Socket M2
>           size: 1900MHz
>           capacity: 3GHz
>           width: 64 bits
>           clock: 200MHz
>           capabilities: fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce
> cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht
> syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp x86-64 3dnowext 3dnow
> constant_tsc rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc cpuid extd_apicid pni monitor cx16
> popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse
> 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt hw_pstate vmmcall npt lbrv svm_lock
> nrip_save cpufreq
>         *-cache:0
>              description: L1 cache
>              physical id: a
>              slot: Internal Cache
>              size: 128KiB
>              capacity: 128KiB
>              capabilities: synchronous internal write-back
>              configuration: level=1
>         *-cache:1
>              description: L2 cache
>              physical id: c
>              slot: External Cache
>              size: 512KiB
>              capacity: 512KiB
>              capabilities: synchronous internal write-back
>              configuration: level=2
>      *-cache
>           description: L1 cache
>           physical id: b
>           slot: Internal Cache
>           size: 128KiB
>           capacity: 128KiB
>           capabilities: synchronous internal write-back
>           configuration: level=1
>      *-memory
>           description: System Memory
>           physical id: 28
>           slot: System board or motherboard
>           size: 8GiB
>         *-bank:0
>              description: DIMM 800 MHz (1.2 ns)
>              product: None
>              vendor: None
>              physical id: 0
>              serial: None
>              slot: A0
>              size: 2GiB
>              width: 64 bits
>              clock: 800MHz (1.2ns)
>         *-bank:1
>              description: DIMM 800 MHz (1.2 ns)
>              product: None
>              vendor: None
>              physical id: 1
>              serial: None
>              slot: A1
>              size: 2GiB
>              width: 64 bits
>              clock: 800MHz (1.2ns)
>         *-bank:2
>              description: DIMM 800 MHz (1.2 ns)
>              product: None
>              vendor: None
>              physical id: 2
>              serial: None
>              slot: A2
>              size: 2GiB
>              width: 64 bits
>              clock: 800MHz (1.2ns)
>         *-bank:3
>              description: DIMM 800 MHz (1.2 ns)
>              product: None
>              vendor: None
>              physical id: 3
>              serial: None
>              slot: A3
>              size: 2GiB
>              width: 64 bits
>              clock: 800MHz (1.2ns)
>      *-pci:0
>           description: Host bridge
>           product: RS880 Host Bridge
>           vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
>           physical id: 100
>           bus info: pci at 0000:00:00.0
>           version: 00
>           width: 64 bits
>           clock: 66MHz
>           configuration: latency=32
>         *-pci:0
>              description: PCI bridge
>              product: RS780 PCI to PCI bridge (ext gfx port 0)
>              vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
>              physical id: 2
>              bus info: pci at 0000:00:02.0
>              version: 00
>              width: 32 bits
>              clock: 33MHz
>              capabilities: pci pm pciexpress msi ht normal_decode
> bus_master cap_list
>              configuration: driver=pcieport
>              resources: irq:18 ioport:e000(size=4096)
> memory:fdf00000-fdffffff ioport:d0000000(size=268435456)
>            *-display
>                 description: VGA compatible controller
>                 product: RV770 [Radeon HD 4850]
>                 vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
>                 physical id: 0
>                 bus info: pci at 0000:01:00.0
>                 version: 00
>                 width: 64 bits
>                 clock: 33MHz
>                 capabilities: pm pciexpress msi vga_controller bus_master
> cap_list rom
>                 configuration: driver=radeon latency=0
>                 resources: irq:25 memory:d0000000-dfffffff
> memory:fdfe0000-fdfeffff ioport:ee00(size=256) memory:c0000-dffff
>            *-multimedia
>                 description: Audio device
>                 product: RV770 HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 4850/4870]
>                 vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
>                 physical id: 0.1
>                 bus info: pci at 0000:01:00.1
>                 version: 00
>                 width: 64 bits
>                 clock: 33MHz
>                 capabilities: pm pciexpress msi bus_master cap_list
>                 configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0
>                 resources: irq:26 memory:fdffc000-fdffffff
>         *-pci:1
>              description: PCI bridge
>              product: RS780/RS880 PCI to PCI bridge (PCIE port 5)
>              vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
>              physical id: a
>              bus info: pci at 0000:00:0a.0
>              version: 00
>              width: 32 bits
>              clock: 33MHz
>              capabilities: pci pm pciexpress msi ht normal_decode
> bus_master cap_list
>              configuration: driver=pcieport
>              resources: irq:18 ioport:d000(size=4096)
> memory:fde00000-fdefffff ioport:fdb00000(size=1048576)
>            *-network
>                 description: Ethernet interface
>                 product: RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
> Controller
>                 vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
>                 physical id: 0
>                 bus info: pci at 0000:02:00.0
>                 logical name: enp2s0
>                 version: 02
>                 serial: 6c:f0:49:02:01:01
>                 size: 10Mbit/s
>                 capacity: 1Gbit/s
>                 width: 64 bits
>                 clock: 33MHz
>                 capabilities: pm msi pciexpress msix vpd bus_master
> cap_list rom ethernet physical tp mii 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd 1000bt
> 1000bt-fd autonegotiation
>                 configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes
> driver=r8169 driverversion=2.3LK-NAPI duplex=half latency=0 link=no
> multicast=yes port=MII speed=10Mbit/s
>                 resources: irq:18 ioport:de00(size=256)
> memory:fdbff000-fdbfffff memory:fdbe0000-fdbeffff memory:fde00000-fde0ffff
>         *-storage
>              description: SATA controller
>              product: SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller [IDE mode]
>              vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
>              physical id: 11
>              bus info: pci at 0000:00:11.0
>              version: 00
>              width: 32 bits
>              clock: 66MHz
>              capabilities: storage pm ahci_1.0 bus_master cap_list
>              configuration: driver=ahci latency=32
>              resources: irq:22 ioport:ff00(size=8) ioport:fe00(size=4)
> ioport:fd00(size=8) ioport:fc00(size=4) ioport:fb00(size=16)
> memory:fe02f000-fe02f3ff
>         *-usb:0
>              description: USB controller
>              product: SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller
>              vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
>              physical id: 12
>              bus info: pci at 0000:00:12.0
>              version: 00
>              width: 32 bits
>              clock: 66MHz
>              capabilities: ohci bus_master
>              configuration: driver=ohci-pci latency=32
>              resources: irq:16 memory:fe02e000-fe02efff
>            *-usbhost
>                 product: OHCI PCI host controller
>                 vendor: Linux 4.15.0-39-generic ohci_hcd
>                 physical id: 1
>                 bus info: usb at 3
>                 logical name: usb3
>                 version: 4.15
>                 capabilities: usb-1.10
>                 configuration: driver=hub slots=3 speed=12Mbit/s
>               *-usb
>                    description: Keyboard
>                    product: Logitech USB Keyboard
>                    vendor: Logitech
>                    physical id: 3
>                    bus info: usb at 3:3
>                    version: 28.00
>                    capabilities: usb-1.10
>                    configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=100mA
> speed=2Mbit/s
>         *-usb:1
>              description: USB controller
>              product: SB7x0 USB OHCI1 Controller
>              vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
>              physical id: 12.1
>              bus info: pci at 0000:00:12.1
>              version: 00
>              width: 32 bits
>              clock: 66MHz
>              capabilities: ohci bus_master
>              configuration: driver=ohci-pci latency=32
>              resources: irq:16 memory:fe02d000-fe02dfff
>            *-usbhost
>                 product: OHCI PCI host controller
>                 vendor: Linux 4.15.0-39-generic ohci_hcd
>                 physical id: 1
>                 bus info: usb at 4
>                 logical name: usb4
>                 version: 4.15
>                 capabilities: usb-1.10
>                 configuration: driver=hub slots=3 speed=12Mbit/s
>               *-usb
>                    description: Mouse
>                    product: USB Optical Mouse
>                    vendor: Primax Electronics, Ltd
>                    physical id: 1
>                    bus info: usb at 4:1
>                    version: 2.00
>                    capabilities: usb-2.00
>                    configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=98mA speed=2Mbit/s
>         *-usb:2
>              description: USB controller
>              product: SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller
>              vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
>              physical id: 12.2
>              bus info: pci at 0000:00:12.2
>              version: 00
>              width: 32 bits
>              clock: 66MHz
>              capabilities: pm debug ehci bus_master cap_list
>              configuration: driver=ehci-pci latency=32
>              resources: irq:17 memory:fe02c000-fe02c0ff
>            *-usbhost
>                 product: EHCI Host Controller
>                 vendor: Linux 4.15.0-39-generic ehci_hcd
>                 physical id: 1
>                 bus info: usb at 1
>                 logical name: usb1
>                 version: 4.15
>                 capabilities: usb-2.00
>                 configuration: driver=hub slots=6 speed=480Mbit/s
>               *-usb
>                    description: USB hub
>                    product: USB2.0 Hub
>                    vendor: Genesys Logic, Inc.
>                    physical id: 1
>                    bus info: usb at 1:1
>                    version: 7.02
>                    capabilities: usb-2.00
>                    configuration: driver=hub maxpower=100mA slots=4
> speed=480Mbit/s
>                  *-usb:0
>                       description: Audio device
>                       product: HD Webcam C525
>                       vendor: Logitech, Inc.
>                       physical id: 3
>                       bus info: usb at 1:1.3
>                       version: 0.10
>                       serial: 4E722DD0
>                       capabilities: usb-2.00 audio-control
>                       configuration: driver=uvcvideo maxpower=500mA
> speed=480Mbit/s
>                  *-usb:1
>                       description: USB hub
>                       product: USB 2.0 Hub
>                       vendor: Terminus Technology Inc.
>                       physical id: 4
>                       bus info: usb at 1:1.4
>                       version: 1.11
>                       capabilities: usb-2.00
>                       configuration: driver=hub maxpower=100mA slots=4
> speed=480Mbit/s
>                     *-usb
>                          description: Mass storage device
>                          product: Flash Card Reader/Writer
>                          vendor: Generic
>                          physical id: 4
>                          bus info: usb at 1:1.4.4
>                          logical name: scsi6
>                          version: 1.00
>                          serial: 058F63666438
>                          capabilities: usb-2.00 scsi emulated scsi-host
>                          configuration: driver=usb-storage maxpower=100mA
> speed=480Mbit/s
>                        *-disk
>                             description: SCSI Disk
>                             physical id: 0.0.0
>                             bus info: scsi at 6:0.0.0
>                             logical name: /dev/sdb
>                             configuration: logicalsectorsize=512
> sectorsize=512
>         *-usb:3
>              description: USB controller
>              product: SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller
>              vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
>              physical id: 13
>              bus info: pci at 0000:00:13.0
>              version: 00
>              width: 32 bits
>              clock: 66MHz
>              capabilities: ohci bus_master
>              configuration: driver=ohci-pci latency=32
>              resources: irq:18 memory:fe02b000-fe02bfff
>            *-usbhost
>                 product: OHCI PCI host controller
>                 vendor: Linux 4.15.0-39-generic ohci_hcd
>                 physical id: 1
>                 bus info: usb at 5
>                 logical name: usb5
>                 version: 4.15
>                 capabilities: usb-1.10
>                 configuration: driver=hub slots=3 speed=12Mbit/s
>         *-usb:4
>              description: USB controller
>              product: SB7x0 USB OHCI1 Controller
>              vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
>              physical id: 13.1
>              bus info: pci at 0000:00:13.1
>              version: 00
>              width: 32 bits
>              clock: 66MHz
>              capabilities: ohci bus_master
>              configuration: driver=ohci-pci latency=32
>              resources: irq:18 memory:fe02a000-fe02afff
>            *-usbhost
>                 product: OHCI PCI host controller
>                 vendor: Linux 4.15.0-39-generic ohci_hcd
>                 physical id: 1
>                 bus info: usb at 6
>                 logical name: usb6
>                 version: 4.15
>                 capabilities: usb-1.10
>                 configuration: driver=hub slots=3 speed=12Mbit/s
>         *-usb:5
>              description: USB controller
>              product: SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller
>              vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
>              physical id: 13.2
>              bus info: pci at 0000:00:13.2
>              version: 00
>              width: 32 bits
>              clock: 66MHz
>              capabilities: pm debug ehci bus_master cap_list
>              configuration: driver=ehci-pci latency=32
>              resources: irq:19 memory:fe029000-fe0290ff
>            *-usbhost
>                 product: EHCI Host Controller
>                 vendor: Linux 4.15.0-39-generic ehci_hcd
>                 physical id: 1
>                 bus info: usb at 2
>                 logical name: usb2
>                 version: 4.15
>                 capabilities: usb-2.00
>                 configuration: driver=hub slots=6 speed=480Mbit/s
>         *-serial UNCLAIMED
>              description: SMBus
>              product: SBx00 SMBus Controller
>              vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
>              physical id: 14
>              bus info: pci at 0000:00:14.0
>              version: 3c
>              width: 32 bits
>              clock: 66MHz
>              capabilities: ht cap_list
>              configuration: latency=0
>         *-ide
>              description: IDE interface
>              product: SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 IDE Controller
>              vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
>              physical id: 14.1
>              bus info: pci at 0000:00:14.1
>              version: 00
>              width: 32 bits
>              clock: 66MHz
>              capabilities: ide msi bus_master cap_list
>              configuration: driver=pata_atiixp latency=32
>              resources: irq:16 ioport:1f0(size=8) ioport:3f6
> ioport:170(size=8) ioport:376 ioport:fa00(size=16)
>         *-multimedia
>              description: Audio device
>              product: SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
>              vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
>              physical id: 14.2
>              bus info: pci at 0000:00:14.2
>              version: 00
>              width: 64 bits
>              clock: 33MHz
>              capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
>              configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=32
>              resources: irq:16 memory:fe024000-fe027fff
>         *-isa
>              description: ISA bridge
>              product: SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 LPC host controller
>              vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
>              physical id: 14.3
>              bus info: pci at 0000:00:14.3
>              version: 00
>              width: 32 bits
>              clock: 66MHz
>              capabilities: isa bus_master
>              configuration: latency=0
>         *-pci:2
>              description: PCI bridge
>              product: SBx00 PCI to PCI Bridge
>              vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
>              physical id: 14.4
>              bus info: pci at 0000:00:14.4
>              version: 00
>              width: 32 bits
>              clock: 66MHz
>              capabilities: pci subtractive_decode bus_master vga_palette
>              resources: ioport:c000(size=4096) memory:fdd00000-fddfffff
> memory:fdc00000-fdcfffff
>            *-network
>                 description: Wireless interface
>                 product: RT5362 PCI 802.11n Wireless Network Adapter
>                 vendor: Ralink corp.
>                 physical id: 6
>                 bus info: pci at 0000:03:06.0
>                 logical name: wlp3s6
>                 version: 00
>                 serial: e4:be:ed:04:95:ca
>                 width: 32 bits
>                 clock: 33MHz
>                 capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list ethernet physical
> wireless
>                 configuration: broadcast=yes driver=rt2800pci
> driverversion=4.15.0-39-generic firmware=0.34 ip=10.0.0.6 latency=32
> link=yes maxlatency=4 mingnt=2 multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11
>                 resources: irq:20 memory:fdde0000-fddeffff
>            *-firewire
>                 description: FireWire (IEEE 1394)
>                 product: TSB43AB23 IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link)
>                 vendor: Texas Instruments
>                 physical id: e
>                 bus info: pci at 0000:03:0e.0
>                 version: 00
>                 width: 32 bits
>                 clock: 33MHz
>                 capabilities: pm ohci bus_master cap_list
>                 configuration: driver=firewire_ohci latency=32
> maxlatency=4 mingnt=2
>                 resources: irq:22 memory:fddff000-fddff7ff
> memory:fddf8000-fddfbfff
>         *-usb:6
>              description: USB controller
>              product: SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI2 Controller
>              vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
>              physical id: 14.5
>              bus info: pci at 0000:00:14.5
>              version: 00
>              width: 32 bits
>              clock: 66MHz
>              capabilities: ohci bus_master
>              configuration: driver=ohci-pci latency=32
>              resources: irq:18 memory:fe028000-fe028fff
>            *-usbhost
>                 product: OHCI PCI host controller
>                 vendor: Linux 4.15.0-39-generic ohci_hcd
>                 physical id: 1
>                 bus info: usb at 7
>                 logical name: usb7
>                 version: 4.15
>                 capabilities: usb-1.10
>                 configuration: driver=hub slots=2 speed=12Mbit/s
>      *-pci:1
>           description: Host bridge
>           product: Family 10h Processor HyperTransport Configuration
>           vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
>           physical id: 101
>           bus info: pci at 0000:00:18.0
>           version: 00
>           width: 32 bits
>           clock: 33MHz
>      *-pci:2
>           description: Host bridge
>           product: Family 10h Processor Address Map
>           vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
>           physical id: 102
>           bus info: pci at 0000:00:18.1
>           version: 00
>           width: 32 bits
>           clock: 33MHz
>      *-pci:3
>           description: Host bridge
>           product: Family 10h Processor DRAM Controller
>           vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
>           physical id: 103
>           bus info: pci at 0000:00:18.2
>           version: 00
>           width: 32 bits
>           clock: 33MHz
>      *-pci:4
>           description: Host bridge
>           product: Family 10h Processor Miscellaneous Control
>           vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
>           physical id: 104
>           bus info: pci at 0000:00:18.3
>           version: 00
>           width: 32 bits
>           clock: 33MHz
>           configuration: driver=k10temp
>           resources: irq:0
>      *-pci:5
>           description: Host bridge
>           product: Family 10h Processor Link Control
>           vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD]
>           physical id: 105
>           bus info: pci at 0000:00:18.4
>           version: 00
>           width: 32 bits
>           clock: 33MHz
>      *-scsi
>           physical id: 1
>           logical name: scsi0
>           capabilities: emulated
>         *-disk
>              description: ATA Disk
>              product: ST500DM002-1BD14
>              vendor: Seagate
>              physical id: 0.0.0
>              bus info: scsi at 0:0.0.0
>              logical name: /dev/sda
>              version: KC45
>              serial: Z2AV4105
>              size: 465GiB (500GB)
>              capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
>              configuration: ansiversion=5 logicalsectorsize=512
> sectorsize=4096 signature=2d180100
>            *-volume:0
>                 description: EXT4 volume
>                 vendor: Linux
>                 physical id: 1
>                 bus info: scsi at 0:0.0.0,1
>                 logical name: /dev/sda1
>                 logical name: /
>                 version: 1.0
>                 serial: a0b38ba2-188f-4efb-bbeb-33bbd9c268e2
>                 size: 457GiB
>                 capacity: 457GiB
>                 capabilities: primary bootable journaled
> extended_attributes large_files huge_files dir_nlink extents ext4 ext2
> initialized
>                 configuration: created=2018-04-12 21:26:24 filesystem=ext4
> lastmountpoint=/ modified=2018-12-14 15:25:15 mount.fstype=ext4
> mount.options=rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered mounted=2018-12-14
> 10:31:36 state=mounted
>            *-volume:1
>                 description: Extended partition
>                 physical id: 2
>                 bus info: scsi at 0:0.0.0,2
>                 logical name: /dev/sda2
>                 size: 8189MiB
>                 capacity: 8189MiB
>                 capabilities: primary extended partitioned
> partitioned:extended
>               *-logicalvolume
>                    description: Linux swap / Solaris partition
>                    physical id: 5
>                    logical name: /dev/sda5
>                    capacity: 8189MiB
>                    capabilities: nofs
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 4:10 PM Jim <jim.nantz15 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I used to have an HP computer.  It  would lock up at random when it was
>> running linux.  I found out later that there was a bug in the bios it was
>> using that only affected linux, and HP wasn't interested, at that time in
>> fixing the bug.  Others might have better luck coming up with a solution if
>> you can tell the list what hardware is in this computer of yours.
>> On 12/14/18 7:14 AM, Michael wrote:
>>
>> I start linux and everything is good. But after I start Chrome sometimes
>> it freezes. Any ideas as to why?
>> --
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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