PLUG-discuss Digest, Vol 147, Issue 8

Tue Sep 12 12:40:51 MST 2017

Is there a Security Meeting tonight? What is the subject?

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>   1. Re: what sort of use cases/memory_needs/etc (was RE:
>      Warranty!!?!?!?!?!) (Michael Butash)
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> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 15:04:39 -0700
> From: Michael Butash <michael at butash.net>
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> Subject: Re: what sort of use cases/memory_needs/etc (was RE:
> 	Warranty!!?!?!?!?!)
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> On the note of memory, I get home after being on the road for a while
> (1mo), and notice my desktop is wonky, refresh issues, but works.  I find
> Cinnamon consuming some 91g of my ram now.  Funny how that works, guess
> time to upgrade arch finally.
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> Most days I wish compositing in desktops would go away, it is more trouble
> than it is worth.
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> -mb
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> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Aaron Jones <retro64xyz at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I run i3wm, luakit, discord, dropbox, and owncloud. Sometimes cmus, mutt,
>> or firebird.
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>> I use about 5.9gb of my 32gb ram during normal usage. I don't keep more
>> than 3 to 5 tabs open on average in luakit.
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>> Things don't usually pop off until I start using my system for work.
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 11:28 AM, Matt Graham <mhgraham at crow202.org> wrote:
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>>>> On 2017-09-06 13:48, Carruth, Rusty wrote:
>>>> So, I'm impressed by the memory/cpu load that Mr Graham has on his
>>>> computer.  And I thought I was a hog... er, I mean heavy resource
>>>> user!
>>> 
>>> It's *usually* not that bad/high.  Building one particular Android
>> project causes this older machine (16G, 2 core i5, 500G SSD), to be almost
>> unusable for as long as it takes all the java to compile/link/build.
>> Ordinary Android projects and standard browsing, mail clients, apache, and
>> so forth run fine.  I don't know what precisely they did to make that
>> project be an enormous hog.  It's not even particularly complicated.
>>> 
>>>> But I agree with him that 16G is getting close to the minimum
>>>> required amount if you do much web browsing with lots of tabs (Ok, he
>>>> didn't exactly say that, but it was implied)
>>> 
>>> I probably have fewer tabs open than almost anyone.  9-15 usually.
>>> 
>>> Steve Litt wrote:
>>>> Firefox is a total pig. Most other browsers tie up much less
>>>> resources, especially with a lot of open tabs, especially with
>>>> challenging javascript encumbered sites.
>>>> Also, IMHO when you start to see your browser(s) run slowly, it's
>>>> time to start closing tabs. If you have a tab that you're for sure
>>>> going to have to have later, bookmark it.
>>> 
>>> Yes, pretty much.  I find that closing tabs helps, but firefox is a
>> collection of code parts written by the lowest bidder and flying in
>> extremely close formation around a memory leak.  I try to restart it every
>> day, which seems to work.  And I'd guess that people use tabs instead of
>> bookmarks because they retain approximately where you were on a page (good
>> for really long pages), and there's less commitment.
>>> 
>>> Aaron Jones wrote:
>>>> Minimum 32gb ddr4 checking in. [...] thanks to bloat and Lennart
>>>> Poettering, I now need 32gb of ram, 8 cores, and a multi terrabyte
>>>> ssd just to be effective.  The future is here ladies and gents...
>>>> and it is gloriously unoptimized.
>>> 
>>> Modern programmers don't seem to care about optimizing things.
>> Curiously enough, KDE 5 is fairly snappy for me on a machine with only 8G.
>> Opening a link with gwenview in a dir that contained 17000 links to other
>> images pegged the CPU for a while as it generated thumbnails for all the
>> links and preloaded a bunch of them.  I'm not sure how often people do that
>> sort of thing--it was more of a "what happens if I stress this program out
>> a lot?" than anything.
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