computer slow
Michael
bmike1 at gmail.com
Tue Oct 31 02:14:37 MST 2017
Well, it did not crash; however, it did go to sleep but the player
continued to play. That never happened before. And the computer lags (as a
result the music stutters some). Here are the readings.... hmmmm.... it
gave me many more readings this time! I wonder why?
$ sensors
radeon-pci-0100
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +68.5°C
it8718-isa-0228
Adapter: ISA adapter
in0: +1.36 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V)
in1: +1.94 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V)
in2: +3.25 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V)
+5V: +2.99 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V)
in4: +3.09 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V)
in5: +3.25 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V)
in6: +4.08 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V)
in7: +2.75 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V)
Vbat: +3.17 V
fan1: 3139 RPM (min = 0 RPM)
fan2: 0 RPM (min = 0 RPM)
fan3: 0 RPM (min = 0 RPM)
fan5: 0 RPM (min = 0 RPM)
temp1: +35.0°C (low = +127.0°C, high = +127.0°C) sensor =
thermistor
temp2: +54.0°C (low = +127.0°C, high = +127.0°C) sensor = thermal
diode
temp3: +51.0°C (low = +127.0°C, high = +127.0°C) sensor =
thermistor
cpu0_vid: +1.050 V
intrusion0: ALARM
k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1: +49.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
(crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm going to run the gl test and run audio at the same time. That should
> make it crash sooner and the audio will also make it not go to sleep....
> While i sleep.
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:48 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> i'm trying to recreate the crash to make sure I didn't copy and paste the
>> stress command with a blank space in it (which would cause the command to
>> execute).
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:29 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think glmark2 crashed it just crashed it after about 2 hours
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> final reading:
>>>> $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +53.8°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> editors note: the computer has 2 venting areas with fans. I just took
>>>> the side panel of and am going to run the computer without it. The new
>>>> reading since doing that about 3 minutes ago is:
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +72.5°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +73.0°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +73.0°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +49.9°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +72.0°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +71.5°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +70.5°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +52.2°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +70.5°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +72.0°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +72.0°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +73.0°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +50.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +72.5°C
>>>>
>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>> temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>
>>>> Not bad.... about a 2C drop
>>>>
>>>> Now we crash it!
>>>> See you on the other side!
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 'coo' is supposed to read 'cool' as in not shorts temperature
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm just about to take a reading and then run stress again. It is
>>>>>> pretty coo, in here so not sure if a fan would do any good.
>>>>>> $ sensors
>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>
>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>> temp1: +51.6°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> want me to crash it now?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:30 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, those temperatures are not that hot, but that doesn't mean
>>>>>>> some cooling wouldn't improve things.
>>>>>>> Have you popped the case off and pointed a big fan in there and
>>>>>>> tried to reproduce the crash yet?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is around 180 seconds of readings at around 10 second
>>>>>>>> intervals (if it helps):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.2°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +50.9°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +53.6°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +52.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.1°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +52.0°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +74.0°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +50.6°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bmike1 at MikesBeast ~ $ sensors
>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>> temp1: +51.9°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Brien Dieterle <briend at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 30 mins is plenty for a test. Try to get sensors output just
>>>>>>>>> before a crash
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> how long do you want me to run glmark2 for? Forever is not
>>>>>>>>>> feasible!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> as for the shutoff point everything that had anything to do with
>>>>>>>>>>> cutting power was already diabled
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> $ sensors
>>>>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100
>>>>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>>>>> temp1: +68.0°C
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>>>>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>>>>>>>>>>>> temp1: +45.1°C (high = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it might be protecting your computer but if it is too
>>>>>>>>>>>>> low it will just be annoying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You still need to run sensors and get those numbers if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't yet:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/15832/how-do-i-get-the-cpu-t
>>>>>>>>>>>>> emperature
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If your machine is legitimately overheating you need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> address that with fans and ventilation, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if there is a shutoff point you did say disable it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you're on the right track. Try to isolate whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glmark alone can crash it, or if you need stress as well. Then try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opening up your case and point a fan in there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also don't forget to check the BIOS for thermal management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> events that might be causing the shutdown/reboot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never mind..... I ran glmark around 5 minutes and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress. that crashed the machine! Not a nice reboot (like what it does with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dt) but a power failure outage,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if glmark2 doesn't crash it run stress the same amount
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of time?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Michael <bmike1 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how long do I let glmark2's pretty horse rotate?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> `
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd wait. If stress alone doesn't crash, run glmark2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by itself. If glmark2 doesn't crash, run them both at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run this now or after stress completes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, not yet ;-). If it doesn't crash, you might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to stress the graphics card as well with one of these tools:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.pcsuggest.com/gpu-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benchmarking-and-stress-testing-in-linux/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So maybe kick off both stress and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glmark2 --run-forever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if it doesn't crash I'll start hounding the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> darktable forums.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just started..... lets see what happens
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget darktable for now. Did you run stress test
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for more than 10 seconds?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will run a stress test for 30 minutes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 2 --timeout
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1800s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can get it to crash with just this stress
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program, then it has nothing to do with darktable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no sensors running and as for it panicing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when warm sometimes it panics after I run dt 2 minutes after it had been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shut down an hour and doesn't panic even though dt had run10 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Brien Dieterle <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briend at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check your bios settings for hardware monitoring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and temperature limits. You may have it set with a maximum temperature so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the machine panics when it's just warm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try raising this number or disabling the feature
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But first check your sensors by installing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temperature monitoring program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017 1:04 PM, "Michael" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is sooo ify! I just ran it for like 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes with no crashes whereas before I had just started the computer and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ran dt for 2 minutes and it crashed. Then I restarted and I had a repeat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance of the 2 minute thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $ stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --vm-bytes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 128M --timeout 10s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] dispatching hogs: 8 cpu,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 io, 2 vm, 0 hdd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] successful run completed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 10s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what that was suppossed to tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me but there it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am experiencing no slowness. It is like the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days where you had a power switch on the back of your computer... or it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like a hard reboot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Stephen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Partington <cryptworks at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenCL in darktable mainly impacts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rendering. it should have no effect on on system or ram consumption unless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are experiencing slowness during render cycles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know.... I'm having trouble running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> darktable. It seems that after I start it it runs a few minutes and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboots the computer. Probably because I do not have a GPU (I don't think).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I saw this thread and thought that I'd give that a try. So it seems I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can not run chrome and darktable at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ___
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'lspci' shows that my graphics card is :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV770 [Radeon HD 4850]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 'lspci|grep gpu' returned an empty set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (if I did that correctly)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I suppose the cheapest way to fix this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is to get a gpu.... correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Carruth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty <Rusty.Carruth at smartm.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my experience, it’s almost always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Firefox taking all of memory. (Or Chrome, or whatever web browser you’re
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Mr B, run top or htop and see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what’s, well, on top ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: SMART_HRS_RGB]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty Carruth | Customer Support | *rusty.carruth at smarth.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rusty.carruth at smarth.com>* |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.smarth.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: linkedin]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/12955027/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: twitter]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/@MilSSD>See the new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> M4[image:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cid:image004.jpg at 01D348E7.AF930710]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/smart-high-reliability-solutions-announces-availability-its-new-highly-ruggedized-highly-2235071.htm>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See us on Storage Search
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.storagesearch.com/smart2.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 510-624-5391 <(510)%20624-5391> | Fax:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 480-926-5579 <(480)%20926-5579> | 1325
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> N. Fiesta Blvd. Suite 101 Gilbert, Az. 85233
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug-discuss-bounces at lists.phxlinux.org] *On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Michael Butash
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:05 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: computer slow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I ever have that, it's usually because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of something with a memory leak, or desktop graphic compositing is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> degrading over time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before you reboot, see if you can ssh into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it from another computer and check htop (or just top all you have), see if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something is consuming all your memory or cpu.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desktop compositors are all shite from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I can tell (including windoze), they're all just a varying degree of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken when you push them, or just have a slow (or buggy) video card.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Depending on your desktop environment of choice, try turning down graphics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options, or disabling the compositor all together to see if it helps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stability.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -mb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Michael <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm almost certain that in my bag of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tricks I had instructions on 'resetting' my computer when it started acting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weird but I can't find them. Riddle me this: I try to leave the computer on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24/7 (maybe I shouldn't do that) and twice so far I come up to it and it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-responsive or really slow to respond. Anyone know how to fix this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hit the snooze button.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>
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