accessible web-authoring system

Thu May 25 12:36:32 MST 2017

Hi Eric ,

Since you are on the West side... Anyway, there are a few things we can
discuss here.
first... if you are interested in getting involved with the w3c group for
wcag ( Web Content Accessibility Guidelines) there are a couple of groups
you can join. The groups on W3c itself are closed to the public. If you
work for a certain organization that is listed as part of their community
effort, then, you can possibly get in. An easier way to contribute is to
join them on Github.
There is a w3c wcag and ARIA. Changes, edits, etc are done there for
standards.

As far as Drupal is concerned, I wasn't really impressed by their modules
relevant to accessibility. Of course, maybe I wasn't looking in the right
place but. Yea.

3rd party plugin tool.
One tool I use to check content for accessibility is Wave. This does a
pretty good check of accessibility items.

now, that being said, something that works during the html generation
process or html "writing" process would be nice. If you know of anything,
let me know.

I am also involved in a project that is a debian based distro .for
accessibility but that is a long time coming as the tools are seriously
lacking.
Those who have good tools charge a lot of money and I would personally like
to see more open source projects with regard to accessibility - like the
ones adafruit have listed that hans linked to earlier in this thread.

We really need better tools.
If you look at the tools listed in the W3c accessibility area, many are out
of date, obsolete, abandoned or not working.
For example, if you find a good tool for contrast - let me know.
There are some that are very simple.  However, I think there could be much
better tools and utilities for accessibility.

Blind is definitely one are but there are many other visually impaired to
consider - that is where contrast comes in, right.

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Eric Oyen <eric.oyen at icloud.com> wrote:

> I would like to go myself, but I am in need of a ride from the west side.
> There are just times when I hate living so far away from the center of
> things.
>
> -eric
> From the central office of the Technomage Guild, Dept of monorail
> development.
>
> On May 24, 2017, at 10:38 PM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote:
>
> So I actually work with Drupal and have some experience wrt accessibility
> at the University. I'll be at coffee hour tomorrow if anyone wants to chat
> more about Drupal and accessibility - some tools for WCAG compliance -
> contrast tools (how they are not working great) and what we are doing at
> the W3c wrt accessibility and how you can get involved.
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 2:30 PM, der.hans <PLUGd at lufthans.com> wrote:
>
>> Am 19. May, 2017 schwätzte der.hans so:
>>
>> moin moin,
>>
>> and another device popped up.
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/+adafruit/posts/6NH2VfeutQ1
>>
>> ciao,
>>
>> der.hans
>>
>>
>> Am 29. Apr, 2017 schwätzte Eric Oyen so:
>>>
>>> moin moin,
>>>
>>> a post about a real-time braille converter from MIT reminds me that I
>>> didn't report back on the demo for the accessible web-authoring tool.
>>>
>>> Here's the braille converter post.
>>>
>>> https://plus.google.com/+adafruit/posts/eLygbwBhra2
>>>
>>> The demo ended up using WordPress and was well received. The committee
>>> was
>>> impressed, but it will be some time before an official response is given.
>>>
>>> Thanks again for the feedback. It was quite helpful.
>>>
>>> ciao,
>>>
>>> der.hans
>>>
>>> well, here is a suggestion from one of the blind users of Linux who does
>>>> a lot of web authoring.. Der Hands, you got this one?
>>>>
>>>> -eric
>>>> from the central office of the Technomage Huild, Datasphere projects
>>>> office
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Fwd: accessible web-authoring system
>>>>> Date: April 29, 2017 4:20:51 AM MST
>>>>> To: blinux-list at redhat.com
>>>>> Reply-To: blinux-list at redhat.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Tony Baechler here. I'm sure others will chime in, but here are my
>>>>> thoughts:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. The most accessible is plain, static HTML. Obviously not practical
>>>>> for large sites, but for a few pages, it's good enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. WordPress is the most popular. It's generally very accessible.
>>>>> There are things which could be made better, but it's good enough to design
>>>>> decent sites. I ran a podcast with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Drupal is also very good, but the latest major release (8.0.X) is
>>>>> very difficult to use and far from accessible unless I missed something
>>>>> obvious. I had it running on a server and it was so bad that I gave up. 7.X
>>>>> should be better, but will reach end of life in a year or two and only gets
>>>>> bug and security fixes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joomla is very inaccessible and should absolutely be avoided. I
>>>>> couldn't do anything with it, but that was a long time ago. The key is if
>>>>> the admin interface is accessible or not. I would go with WordPress due to
>>>>> the huge number of themes, frequent updates and overall decent
>>>>> accessibility.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another option is wiki software. There are a lot of wiki packages out
>>>>> there. I liked ikiwiki when I looked at it. It obviously depends on the
>>>>> site you're designing. Of the above, I think only ikiwiki is fully
>>>>> accessible with a text browser, but WordPress is tolerable. You can do most
>>>>> functions with wp-cli if you like the command line. Drupal has drush, but I
>>>>> couldn't get it to work. WordPress is much easier to upgrade and can do
>>>>> minor updates itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/28/2017 3:43 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> hey guys,
>>>>>> I forwarded this over from the Phoenix Linux Users Group. Perhaps one
>>>>>> of us can help out?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "der.hans" <PLUGd at LuftHans.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: accessible web-authoring system
>>>>>>> Date: April 28, 2017 12:32:48 PM MST
>>>>>>> To: quatsch <PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org>
>>>>>>> Reply-To: Main PLUG discussion list <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> moin moin,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> anyone have experience with an accessible Free Software web-authoring
>>>>>>> system?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A friend works in accessibiilty ( all sorts of physical and mental
>>>>>>> handicaps ) and is asking for a recommendation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I presume Drupal, Joomla! and WordPress have plugins to help, but I
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> no experience. The closest thing I have to experience is demos from
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> blind guys using emacs for their own infrastructure. Amazing, but
>>>>>>> not the
>>>>>>> first thing to suggest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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