mintupdate problems, was: Linux Mint 17 synoptic update manager

[Michael]

on my mint system the mint update manager is 'software manager' under the
menu button while synaptic is the 'package manager'.

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:15 PM, <joe at actionline.com> wrote:

> Thank you, Tom, for your very thorough response.
> Now, if my aging mind can manage to sort through it all,
> I believe you probably have provided valuable assistance.
>
> Joe
>
> > [endnotes follow .sig]
> >
> > Josef Lowder[1]
> >> Every time I open the Synaptic update manager,
> >
> > Actually, no ...
> >
> >> Here are three successive screen shots of this problem:
> >
> >> From Nov 18: http://www.upquick.com/temp/updatemanager1.jpg
> >
> > That screenshot shows 3 problems, only one of which you discuss in your
> > post. The first problem, which may seem "merely semantic"[2], is that
> > your screenshot is of an application called "Update Manager," not
> > Synaptic. This can be easily shown by launching the two apps via their
> > commandlines. Goto your terminal of choice (I have no idea what that is
> > in KDE, which appears to be problem 2, but we'll deal with that next),
> > and therein utter the following commandlines[3]
> >
> > kdesudo mintupdate &
> >
> > kdesudo synaptic &
> >
> > The first commandline above should (after you type your password) launch
> > the application that troubles you, which I claim is Update Manager, aka
> > UM, aka mintupdate. The second will launch the application commonly known
> > as Synaptic, about which you have no complaint (yet :-)
> >
> > Now that you're clear on that (hopefully), you can solve your first
> > problem, which is being unclear about the etiology[4] of your problem.
> > The second problem you must solve is, seek help from the appropriate
> > community. Given the presence of the KDE icon in the above screenshot,
> > and the appearance of your window frames in all 3, I'm guessing you're
> > running one of the KDE Mints[5]. If that's false, ignore the following
> > paragraph:
> >
> > Mint is not anymore a distro, it's an ecosystem including several varying
> > distros as well as numerous associated applications and environments.
> > E.g., I run mostly Cinnamon LMDE, which is somewhat different from MATE
> > LMDE, and quite different from the Ubuntu-based Mints. The vast majority
> > of all of those, however, are GNOME-based, and as such the vast majority
> > of Mint users will have very little of use to say about a problem
> > involving KDE (or, for that matter, LXDE or Xfce--but at least those
> > desktops are based on GTK, which underlies GNOME).
> >
> > Which leaves the third problem, which is, what's wrong with your
> > mintupdate? I dunno. Someone else on this forum might; if so, ignore the
> > following recommendation. I recommend you goto the Mint forum='Software &
> > Applications'[6] (on which I have several times gotten useful information
> > in the past) and describe your problem with a subject line like
> >
> > mintupdate problems on KDE [your Mint version here]
> >
> > Use the term 'mintupdate' because it's generally understood and most
> > exact. (For extra credit, goto Help>About and note which mintupdate
> > version you're running.) Be sure to be clear about which version of Mint
> > you're running, and about the fact (unless I'm completely wrong) that
> > you're running KDE. This is mostly likely to get you performant and
> > skillful help ... though, again, there may not be many folks running KDE
> > on the forum--I dunno. If you *do* get responses:
> >
> > The verdict may very well be that mintupdate does not run well on KDE, in
> > which case you should seek recommendations about alternate package
> > managers to run. (Personally, I'd recommend one of the fine CLI dpkg/APT
> > tools like `aptitude`, which also has a TUI[7], which kinda "splits the
> > difference" between a GUI and a CLI.) Alternatively, there may be a
> > problem with your host's current repositories, downloaded packages, or
> > other parts of its current dpkg/APT configuration that is choking your
> > host's mintupdate in a manner that has nothing to do with KDE.
> >
> > HTH, Tom Roche <Tom_Roche at pobox.com>
> >
> > [1]:
> > http://lists.phxlinux.org/lurker/message/20161215.
> 191124.4beac47c.en.html
> > [2]: Readers are encouraged to deliver verbal or physical dopeslaps to
> > anyone uttering the phrase "merely semantic." "Semantics" are quite
> > literally the meanings of words, and failures to agree on meanings of
> > words usually lead quickly to failures to communicate. Which is usually
> > bad.
> > [3]: Note that as someone with extremely limited KDE usage, ICBW here,
> > but I believe its equivalent of `gksudo` is `kdesudo`.
> > [4]: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/aetiology#English
> > [5]: latest being (IIUC) https://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=224
> > (since I can't find reference to a KDE for Serena yet)
> > [6]: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewforum.php?f=47
> > [7]: For TUI screenshots, see
> > https://askubuntu.com/questions/821164/how-do-i-access-the-aptitude-why-
> functionality-through-aptitude-s-interactive
> > and ignore the answer that describes it as a GUI--it's not.
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