H1B Visa

[Vara La Fey]

I sympathize on what a friend calls "the purple squirrel syndrome".

Min wage laws make everything worse. Look at CA. Everyone's expenses go up,
so everyone lays off or tightens budgets. Including your clients, who
either see payroll increases directly or indirectly through higher vendor
costs. (I can't believe there is even controversy on such a blatant fact.)
So when they tighten the budget, contractors will be in less demand and
will make less. (I'm glad I'm not a contractor anymore. I originally
contracted so I could get OUT of the rat race.)

THAT is exploitation - of a naive citizenry by self-congratulatory pols.
But hey, the pols are happy, so it's worth the lifestyle hit we take, right?

- Vara
- www.facebook.com/vara.lafey
On Dec 7, 2016 7:43 AM, "George Toft" <george at georgetoft.com> wrote:

> Jumping a little late . .
>
> "So what if they get paid $10-$20k lower annual salaries?"  <-- not even
> close where I work.  How about $60-80K lower?
>
> My employer pays Tata Consulting $66K/year for DBA's.  They keep 1/3 so
> the H1B worker gets $44K.  That's $22/hr - soon to be just double minimum
> wage.  This H1B worker usually comes with a Master's Degree in Computer
> Science or similar.
>
> Find me one American with a Graduate Degree in Science willing to work for
> $22/hr.  Yes, the struggle is real to find talent [that will work for
> peanuts].  Almost everyone I know makes more than that, except those in the
> fast-food industry.  So where's the incentive to get a degree?
>
> I call it "exploitation."
>
> Regards,
>
> George Toft
>
> On 11/8/2016 10:46 AM, David Schwartz wrote:
>
> More propaganda from right-wing pro-corporate anti-American talking heads
> about a topic they are ill-informed about.
>
> (Most Americans have no clue about US immigraion laws.)
>
> The recent Defense Appropriations Budget opened the floodgates to H-1B
> visas, thanks to non-stop lobbying from large US tech firms like Microsoft,
> Oracle, Apple, Dell, etc.
>
> I saw something a while back on cable channel that covers congress, and it
> was a public meeting of some sort about H-1B issues. Representatives from
> Microsoft, HP, and some huge consulting firm.
>
> One interesting thing they all agreed upon was that their budget for
> prosecuting each H-1B visa was $50k. This was ONLY for the legal fees! Then
> there was salary, benefits, relocation, and later on the legal fees and
> relocation expenses for their family members.
>
> Forget about annual salaries for a minute, which I don’t believe are
> really that much lower for people residing here in America and awaiting
> permanent residency (green cards).
>
> Here’s what job offers for US Citizens would look like if they were
> comparable to H-1B offers:
>
>    -
>
>    $50k hiring bonus (used for legal fees)
>    -
>
>    Full relocation (from overseas, way more expensive than even across
>    country in USA)
>    -
>
>    Guaranteed job for 6-10 years (how long it takes for green cards to
>    issue)
>    -
>
>    Guaranteed on-the-job training for whatever new projects these people
>    are destined to fill during their 6-10 year tenure
>    -
>
>    Full relocation to other cities that might have projects these people
>    can fill to keep employed
>    -
>
>    Tacit agreement to never complain, never file any kind of labor
>    actions or lawsuits against the company for any reason at all
>
> So what if they get paid $10-$20k lower annual salaries?
>
> Would YOU accept a job with these “benefits” for a slightly lower salary
> like this???
>
> -David Schwartz
>
> On Nov 8, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Keith Smith <techlists at phpcoderusa.com>
> <techlists at phpcoderusa.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> While at the polls I talked with a man running for Chandler City Council
> who told me the H1B Visa was necessary because there are not enough
> qualified Americans to fill those positions.
>
> I do not agree. And if it is true then why, for example, is there no
> Microsoft University that finds those with the talent and help develop them
> into the qualified employee they are looking for? It is my understanding M$
> is one of the biggest users of the H1B Visa program.
>
> This is an example of there not being an shortage. -->> McDonald's lays
> off 70 American accountants from Ohio and gives their jobs to foreign
> workers as part of cost-cutting exercise
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3800381/McDonald-
> s-lays-70-American-accountants-Ohio-gives-jobs-
> foreign-workers-cost-cutting-measure.html
> <https://u2206659.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=tzJbcg2o-2FNh3kfIF32sRUZ3KsE0V-2BQQrEXAyVDkZHcUy34DGikx-2F-2FrzJlg9gPr5sgRKhPChSITXAyENVINiHGotNto-2BxEe4aUwuIq7v5xHKeUKqW3qfKSs6MHK9MXWoWqm-2FS37JTSqDixivqIaixnI7r0hC4YLbr4nEeT0PZq3RL4QfjxO6g6VuDcjSd6OMriMV7I5OpJnOBI1YJu997dw-3D-3D_6lpMB7VLnN-2Fj9-2FEErg8-2F-2BMBpb5QxlByTgv2M3fbWD9ebvC-2BWrN3h7jImK8EVWYBegWsuA7zh3riD0qMxgE7DRTo9-2FBOBoEQyUGWhIKKVZx3cbKSxNEvGtTyQod3InADu6n7QXrjzecHph-2B7-2Bh3qSUqc-2BYQkO8ue2cqbHSR-2FVO5yc-2BIhnZm9WdQHAdhbSWYHINqUHwqHEP1FSMMwyWntpkoRfz-2BcG6qdDBJwu0dy-2BGqw-3D>
>
> — Keith Smith ---------------------------------------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list – PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe,
> unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/
> mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> <https://u2206659.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=5DvWGaZUY8Sh5aRLWfQTKYiRLVzunonVk948p8WIzMe-2FXlJ9Cta8w8U9xoku9LrUSHNMJbSd3ZEwH-2BqnW2UHlA-3D-3D_6lpMB7VLnN-2Fj9-2FEErg8-2F-2BMBpb5QxlByTgv2M3fbWD9ebvC-2BWrN3h7jImK8EVWYBegWsuA7zh3riD0qMxgE7DRaykA0zAwuCdFyT8m1bapnhv0-2BDMBuitwiXbVyXCP-2F-2FXk9ecUSWuOftlOJLEht32Cs3dRkT-2FkUGbFKwUVE52CgdrlEHopOV8g4EIcZc0yxcNDIwmgkCjVI-2BKG-2FG6mtEMTuUleHBjQAhB4w8dSqFBqXI-3D>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.phxlinux.org/pipermail/plug-discuss/attachments/20161207/0cbf36fc/attachment.html>