no wedding band??

Keith Smith techlists at phpcoderusa.com
Sat Aug 29 11:27:52 MST 2015 


Good point Bob. 5 years and we have done nothing to fix these issues.




On 2015-08-29 11:16, Bob Elzer wrote:
> This is old news from 2010.
> 
> If we are going to start yelling the sky is falling, then lets do some
> good.
> 
> Bill Gates promised me that for every response to this thread he will
> donate $100 to eliminating cancer.
> 
> Lets bankrupt the bastard!!!
> 
> :-p
> 
> On Aug 29, 2015 11:07 AM, "Eric Oyen" <eric.oyen at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>> oh yeah. Like I said, it starts with next to nothing. Its like the
>> frog in the pot scenario. Throw a frog in boiling water and he
>> immediately hops out. Place a frog in cool water and slowly bring up
>> the heat, he is toast before he realizes that he is in trouble. Same
>> thing here. All it will take is one government official making an
>> assumption about Linux and the next thing we all know is that it
>> would be illegal to download or use (and we could be arrested under
>> the DMCA and the computer crimes act).
>> 
>> Honestly people, we need to nip this in the bud now. Our very civil
>> liberties will be at stake when this happens (not IF, but when).
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Aug 29, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Nathan England wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Great points Eric. Consider also what will happen when the
>> government gets burned by Ashley Maddison, or the next one. No doubt
>> they will find out that the "hackers" were running linux. The server
>> probably was too. That open source cancer.
>>> 
>>> (politicians will decry:)
>>> We need to protect the people. We need to remove the ability to
>> boot alternative operating systems (secure boot) and all internet
>> connected systems are running verified closed source operating
>> systems.
>>> 
>>> They may even say that linux servers make it easier to "hack".
>>> 
>>> When will people wake up? Politics has nothing to do with
>> technology or this group? Seriously? Politics has invaded every step
>> of our lives.
>>> 
>>> Many of the people on this list are close friends and like to
>> talk. Yet several are determined to keep their heads in the sand.
>> Pathetic that we cannot talk and share all aspects of our lives
>> without offending people. Just seems silly to me. We act like
>> children all over again. No one is allowed to have opinions any more
>> because they are offensive.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2015-08-29 08:26, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>>> in some ways, this is already happening. Take for example my DVD
>>>> collection. Given the terms of the DMCA, I am not allowed to
>> play them
>>>> with vlc (an open source media player) because it breaks
>> (cracks) the
>>>> CSS on those dvd's in order to play the content. THis also means
>> I
>>>> can't make backups of said media and keep the originals in their
>>>> packages as archived originals.
>>>> THere is also the matter of e-books. Take for example the
>> Kindle. THe
>>>> OS on it is open source (or at least the kernel is). However,
>> the
>>>> books themselves are closed source format and the kindle will
>> not read
>>>> allowed the text for me. Add to that another issue with the
>> American
>>>> Authors guild. THey insist that I have to register with them
>> before I
>>>> can have the right to access an e-book. Again, its the DMCA at
>> work
>>>> (along with the content cartels). I have a right to be able to
>> read
>>>> what I want in the method that best works for me (speech,
>> braille,
>>>> accessible electronic text, etc.) and I am not being allowed to.
>>>> So, if you think this hasn't started happening in Linux, think
>> again.
>>>> It's already here and it starts out as next to nothing. Its time
>> for
>>>> those of us who have the knowledge to quit talking about the
>> problem
>>>> and actually do something about it.
>>>> -eric (the other eric)
>>>> On Aug 29, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Keith Smith wrote:
>>>>> I understand some do not like bringing politics into this list.
>> However it is all relevant. I'm a LAMP developer. I have deep
>> concerns that the Federal Government will at some point start to
>> regulate Open Source / Free Software.
>>>>> I've known Lyle for sometime and his heart is in the right
>> place.
>>>>> This nation was birthed on freedom... And today a baby can be
>> caused to be delivered prematurely and cut to pieces while it's
>> heart is still beating. This is called abortion.
>>>>> I think these are discussions we need to have because it will
>> soon be Linux they come after. Then what?
>>>>> All it will take is for the likes of Bill Gates to grease the
>> palms of a handful of politicians and the next thing you know you
>> will only be able to boot M$.
>>>>> Didn't we see that with the law that says you cannot root your
>> phone? These types of things are the opposite of freedom. We
>> should have the freedom to buy whatever phone we want and buy
>> minutes from any carrier. Instead the Cellular providers influence
>> politicians to pass laws that take away our freedom. This is called
>> crony capitalism.
>>>>> Crony capitalism may effect Open Source / Free Software at some
>> point. A free and open market allows us to vote with our dollars.
>> That is not the system we have today. We have a system where the
>> wealthy and big business buy politicians and they pass laws that aid
>> the wealthy and big business. AND this is at our expense.
>>>>> I'm for freedom. I do not care if you worship a pole or a cow,
>> or nothing at all. I do not care if you run M$, Apple, or Linux. I
>> do not care if you want to eat meat or abstain from meat. AND I hope
>> you will allow me the same latitude.
>>>>> I personally support the least amount of law - just the minimum
>> to protect the masses.
>>>>> Lyle is right here is a sleight of hand taking place.
>>>>> On 2015-08-29 06:16, Phil Waclawski wrote:
>>>>>> I really don't see how this is appropriate for a linux
>> discussion
>>>>>> group.
>>>>>> Phil Waclawski
>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 5:54 AM, Lyle <l.tuttle at cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Subject: Wedding ring is in for repair again this year...
>>>>>>> Just passing this on with no comment, interesting observation
>>>>>>> though....
>>>>>>> The Wedding ring is in for repair again this year. Since when
>> does
>>>>>>> a plain wedding band need repairs, along with your watch, for
>> a
>>>>>>> whole month? In a press conference last week Obama was not
>> wearing
>>>>>>> his wedding ring nor was he wearing his watch. When noticed,
>> his
>>>>>>> staff said his ring was out for repairs. No reason was given
>> for the
>>>>>>> missing watch.
>>>>>>> So it's just a coincidence that Muslims are forbidden from
>> wearing
>>>>>>> jewelry during the month of Ramadan...
>>>>>>> Can't possibly be that, because although he hasn't gone to a
>>>>>>> Christian church service since entering the White House, we
>> know
>>>>>>> he's a committed Christian "cause he said so during his
>> campaign"
>>>>>>> This is the same president that spent the Christmas holidays
>> in
>>>>>>> Hawaii to avoid religious obligations as president at the
>> White
>>>>>>> House. His children do not receive Christmas presents. Let's
>> just
>>>>>>> face the facts and quit trying to distort the truth, we have
>> a
>>>>>>> Muslim for president in the White House, and he has no
>> knowledge of
>>>>>>> American history.
>>>>>>> I love this country; it's the current government leadership I
>> worry
>>>>>>> about!
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