liksys WRT54G

Sun Oct 19 11:49:56 MST 2014

And I just looked at thw lynsys website and they say there is no upgade to
my router.....

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> okay.... I got it going the way I want I unplugged  everything from the
> back of the router and then connected the computer connected to that
> computer and it connected! I then connected internet to the WAN port and I
> got internet!
> Thanks for talking me through this guys.
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM, coverturtle <coverturtle at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>  Michael,
>> Here's what to do:
>> Disconnect all network cables from the router that you want to connect to
>> and then
>> run an ethernet cable with the RJ-45 connectors (should be a good cable!)
>> from a LAN port to the computer.
>> If you don't get an IP address from the DHCP on the router, then pull the
>> power cable on the router,
>> leave the router off for about 30 seconds and then plug the power back in
>> and wait for the router
>> lights to come on indicating that the router is fully booted.  If you
>> have DHCP set on your computer,
>> you should be able to connect to the router.  I don't know the brand of
>> router you are using but it's
>> probably using an address of 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1.   If you get a
>> DHCP address on your computer,
>> you will be able to tell the address of the router unless it starts with
>> 169.xxxxx which means that
>> there is not a connection.  If you get a 169.xxxx address, then reboot
>> the computer and check again.
>>
>> Once you have a DCHP address, then the address to type in the browser is
>> the same as your DHCP address
>> EXCEPT the last number should be 1 (one):  xxx.xxx.xxx.1   - like so.
>> This should give you a connection
>> UNLESS this is SECOND router and it has taken it's address from the first
>> router.   In that case, make sure
>> you have disconnected the WAN cable from the second router and reboot it
>> by power cycling.  No need to
>> factory reset the router if you know the password.  It should connect
>> OK.  When connected, make sure you
>> find the menu item that allows you to set the router up as a repeater or
>> a bridge.  If you set it up as a
>> bridge, then the xxx.xxx.xxx.1 address will be for router number one.
>> The second router will have a DHCP
>> address assigned by the first router.  You will need to access the first
>> router in order to determine
>> the DHCP address of router.
>>
>> Here's the gotcha:  for security reasons router manufacturers program the
>> firmware to initialize routers only
>> with physical ethernet/network cable connected to a single computer.  So
>> if you have trouble with the router,
>> you need to isolate it from the network and use only a single computer
>> (and maybe a WAN/internete connection).
>>
>> It's rather tedious for both of us to type back and forth because I don't
>> know exactly what you are doing or how
>> your network (LAN) is connected so let me know if you want to use a skype
>> connection.  My Skype name is
>> jonkettenhofen BUT I have blocked all but friends so you will need to let
>> me know what your skype name is.
>> Allowing me to see your setup will make setup go faster, easier and I'll
>> be able to help you clear up your
>> understanding of your home network (hopefully!)  It's up to you.
>>
>> Hope that helps some,
>> Jon
>>
>> ''
>>
>>
>> I got a problem. I'm trying to update it but can't get into the
>> configuration page (192.168.1.1). I tried resetting the device (I depressed
>> the reset button for 65 seconds) but to no avail. Any ideas?Â
>>
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Michael Butash <michael at butash.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Vlan isolation, inside and outside for simplest of terms.Â  Vlan 1 is
>>> inside, Vlan 2 is outside.Â  By nature, one cannot reach another, thus
>>> Virtual LAN's.
>>>
>>> In the middle sits a bridge, and iptables mangles packets between
>>> them.Â  This is your nat, firewall, application inspection, etc.
>>>
>>> A process on the wan grabs a dhcp address, adds it outside, and a
>>> default route to the upstream dslam or cmts.Â  It also registers it as the
>>> external address to nat your internal traffic as to the world, effectively
>>> hiding your internal routable subnets.
>>>
>>> The inside vlan uses a private address, usually 192.168.1.1/24 by
>>> default.Â  This gives you 253 usable address, and gives out a subset of
>>> that via dhcp.Â  When clients come up wired or wireless, they get an
>>> address from the dhcp server when they broadcast for an address.
>>>
>>> Routers usually bridge the wireless 802.11 radio(s) to this vlan as
>>> well, bringing them all into the 192.168.1.0/24 subnet on that vlan.Â
>>> The DHCP server gives wired or wireless clients a local 192.168.1.0/24
>>> address out of the subset it hands out, including the gateway for the
>>> subnet (itself, 192.168.1.1), and dns servers for it, again itself.
>>>
>>> They get a local dns server that is usually dnsmasq running on the
>>> router, caching and forwarding to the upstream provider dns servers given
>>> externally to the router when it gets its WAN address.Â  It forwards your
>>> requests on mostly.
>>>
>>> Wireless does some form of security, hopefully, letting client onto the
>>> ssid with a pre-share key or some other.Â  No wpa1, only wpa2+aes.Â  Tkip
>>> is exploitable, so is wps pin registration (easily crackable without
>>> mitigation routines).
>>>
>>> Most routers these days use dd-wrt, or some variant, usually some oem
>>> abomination hack of linux.Â  Your wrt54g is like the granddaddy of dd-wrt
>>> routers, see what generation it is and see if it's upgradable.Â  Probably
>>> doing yourself a favor upgrading the 10yr old firmware to something secure
>>> anyways, keeping some foreign entity from redirecting your dns for bank
>>> servers to snatch your credentials.
>>>
>>> Clear as mud?Â  Google lots of those words.
>>>
>>> -mb
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/19/2014 12:31 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>>>
>>> so the port I'm wondering about is an input port then. I thought I read
>>> that it is also a wan part.Â  How does that work? Like I know the internet
>>> is a wan but how does it work in this case?
>>>
>>>
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:27 PM, koder <iscreamkid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Mike,
>>>>
>>>> I have the same device in my networking system. My answer may not be
>>>> 100% correct, but here is my SWAG:
>>>>
>>>> The device was designed to serve as a router with DHCP server
>>>> capabilities, in other words it hands out IP addresses to requests that
>>>> come from one of the output ports.
>>>>
>>>> You can access the device using its web page and turn that feature off,
>>>> it then acts as a bridge router and the DHCP functioning will come from
>>>> further upsteam, from your other router.
>>>>
>>>> The network will not function correctly if you have two different
>>>> devices trying to pass out IP addresses using DHCP. Everything pretty much
>>>> quits talking to each other.
>>>>
>>>> While I have never tried using the device by plugging everything only
>>>> into the output ports, I am guessing that connection setup would use the
>>>> device as a bare dumb switch. No more double DHCP, only happy connectivity.
>>>>
>>>> I am reasonably sure my explanation is not technically correct, but is
>>>> functional. I was quite loose with input, output, upstream, andÂ
>>>> downstream analogies, but that is the way I think of them.
>>>>
>>>> By the way on a separate item, it is my understanding that most of
>>>> these devices are hacked and infected and should be either upgraded, or
>>>> replaced. I have yet to do either, but I think that is the case.
>>>>
>>>> HM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/17/2014 03:08 PM, Michael Havens wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  That is the router I have. On the back there are 4 LAN ports and
>>>> another port labled Internet. My setup had the cable from the modem feeding
>>>> into that port and everything worked until a couple of days ago. Today I
>>>> switched that cable to a LAN port and everything worked again. I asked in
>>>> another thread the purpose of the internet port and MR Butash gave me an
>>>> answer but it is still a lot hazy. In my research to answer the question
>>>> myself I found a wikipedia article that states:
>>>>
>>>>  The originalÂ *WRT54G*Â was first released in December 2002. It has a
>>>> 4+1 portÂ network switch <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_switch>Â (the
>>>> Internet/WAN port is part of the same internal network switch, but on a
>>>> differentÂ VLAN <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLAN>).
>>>>
>>>>  My questions: What is that port for if not to be an input port for
>>>> the internet
>>>> and
>>>> Why was it working as an input port for the internet and why did it
>>>> stop working as such?
>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>
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