Off Topic Discussions

[keith smith]

Not your fault Mike. It could have easily been something else!

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Keith Smith

--- On Wed, 6/12/13, Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Off Topic Discussions
To: nathan at nmecs.com, "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org>
Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:56 PM

honest.... whaat was posted that started this tirade was an accident. I meant to share the company that rejects the sharing of our web activities.
:-)~MIKE~(-:


On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Nathan England <nathan at nmecs.com> wrote:



On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 01:06:44 PM Ted Gould wrote:

Wonderful, and your blog is a great place for that.  I support you being

outspoken about the issues in your private space.  But the PLUG list is a

communal space, and with that comes certain communal norms.  For instance: no

shoes, no shirt, no service.  That establishes norms for certain areas that

contain that banner.  Certainly it restricts your freedom, but it is also

about someone establishing norms in a space to encourage a more diverse set of

participants.



Ted









What is ironic is we have destroyed the community of the PLUG. I have been on

this list for over 10 years. Through that time I have come to know many people

whom I consider friends. While the list may have a specific focus, since the

beginning, us friends used this list to communicate all kinds of things that

we cared about and we shared it with eachother through the list as a means for

creating a group discussion rather than just between a few of us.



Society has changed. In our vast attempt to be open minded of everyone else

and tolerant, almost entirely pushed by the LGBT groups, no one is tolerant of

anything and no one is allowed to say anything for fear of offending someone

else. You know, we have a freedom of speech in this country and not every word

spoken is hateful though it may personally offend *you*.



Grow up. Put your big boy pants on and stop whining! This isn't the third

grade anymore. I have opinions and a right to share them. You have opinions

and whether I agree with them or not I want to hear them!



God forbid someone challenge someone. I have a strong foundation and I know

what I believe, but you telling your opinion about something that I do not

agree with does not shake my foundation so much that I get upset and I can no

longer think for my self. I value other peoples opinions, otherwise I would

not share my own.



When Obama was elected the first round he stated he wanted his cabinet to be

filled with people who did not agree with him. I thought it was  a brilliant

idea! What better than a large group of advisors who will share differing

opinions. Of course, later we found out the advisors were nothing more than

large contributors to his campaigns and he was repaying them for their deeds.

What a loser.



If we cannot share our opinions then I formally request this list become

moderated so that no one might accidentally offend the weak minded on this

list.



Nathan

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