Off Topic Discussions

[Nathan England]

On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 01:06:44 PM Ted Gould wrote:
Wonderful, and your blog is a great place for that.  I support you being 
outspoken about the issues in your private space.  But the PLUG list is a 
communal space, and with that comes certain communal norms.  For instance: no 
shoes, no shirt, no service.  That establishes norms for certain areas that 
contain that banner.  Certainly it restricts your freedom, but it is also 
about someone establishing norms in a space to encourage a more diverse set of 
participants.

Ted




What is ironic is we have destroyed the community of the PLUG. I have been on 
this list for over 10 years. Through that time I have come to know many people 
whom I consider friends. While the list may have a specific focus, since the 
beginning, us friends used this list to communicate all kinds of things that 
we cared about and we shared it with eachother through the list as a means for 
creating a group discussion rather than just between a few of us.

Society has changed. In our vast attempt to be open minded of everyone else 
and tolerant, almost entirely pushed by the LGBT groups, no one is tolerant of 
anything and no one is allowed to say anything for fear of offending someone 
else. You know, we have a freedom of speech in this country and not every word 
spoken is hateful though it may personally offend *you*.

Grow up. Put your big boy pants on and stop whining! This isn't the third 
grade anymore. I have opinions and a right to share them. You have opinions 
and whether I agree with them or not I want to hear them!

God forbid someone challenge someone. I have a strong foundation and I know 
what I believe, but you telling your opinion about something that I do not 
agree with does not shake my foundation so much that I get upset and I can no 
longer think for my self. I value other peoples opinions, otherwise I would 
not share my own. 

When Obama was elected the first round he stated he wanted his cabinet to be 
filled with people who did not agree with him. I thought it was  a brilliant 
idea! What better than a large group of advisors who will share differing 
opinions. Of course, later we found out the advisors were nothing more than 
large contributors to his campaigns and he was repaying them for their deeds. 
What a loser.

If we cannot share our opinions then I formally request this list become 
moderated so that no one might accidentally offend the weak minded on this 
list.

Nathan