mk802, g-82

[Brian Cluff]

But my point is that what Hans would be more accurately looking for is a 
CEC controllable device and TV since that would also include any number 
of other HDMI connected devices in addition to MHL devices, including a 
MythTV box if it's running the latest .26 release. (Whoo Hoo!)

Upon looking at the Roku stick, it appears that the MHL port on a TV is 
actually a USB port that has the MHL adapter internal to the TV.  So it 
just simply keeps you from having to purchase a USB to MHL adapter, 
which only cost about $7, that converts your phone USB port to an HDMI 
port.  You could just as easily get the adapter and plug it into your 
non MHL ready TV's HDMI port and use it's CEC ability to do the exact 
same thing.

Brian Cluff

On 10/20/2012 11:20 AM, Joseph Sinclair wrote:
> The Roku Stick, and many phones, use MHL-compatible ports; CEC is the remote-control interface for MHL, but it's the MHL port that is required for a Roku stick.
> As far as I can tell, all MHL compatible host devices (e.g. TVs) also support CEC.
>
> On 10/20/2012 10:34 AM, Brian Cluff wrote:
>> I think you mean CEC (Consumer Electronics Control) compatible TV instead of MHL (Mobile High-Definition Link) which is the interface to convert the USB on your phone into an HDMI port that understands CEC.
>> In that video they are actually demonstrating CEC when they are showing off the remove controlling the phone.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-Definition_Link
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Electronics_Control#CEC
>>
>> Brian Cluff
>>
>> On 10/20/2012 10:03 AM, Joseph Sinclair wrote:
>>> Inline:
>>>
>>> On 10/19/2012 11:16 PM, der.hans wrote:
>>>> Am 19. Oct, 2012 schw�tzte Joseph Sinclair so:
>>>>
>>> <<SNIP>>
>>>> MHL means one remote controls both TV and the plugin device? Do you have
>>>> to switch back in forth like TV/Sat/DVD/AUX or can you just change
>>>> channels or change volume and the correct thing happens?
>>> With the MHL connection, the device has no remote control of it's own, everything is controlled by the host device; that includes volume.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Finally found a video showing a remote with a TV to control a phone over
>>>> MHL.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmuvzfkyP78
>>>>
>>>> I don't see him changing volume, but I would think the TV could be kept at
>>>> constant volume and changing the phone volume would be sufficient.
>>> No, The phone volume has no effect as the output stream is a straight digital content stream.  The TV controls volume.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What about for the roku stick?
>>> Same, the TV does volume, the stick just provides an A/V data stream.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What about integration with an OTA receiver? Can Roku handle that as a
>>>> channel?
>>> No, He would switch to (e.g.) HDMI-3 for the Roku, and HDMI-1 for the OTA.  Most TV remotes can make this a single button for each source.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I need simple. While the person is intelligent, whatever I set up might be
>>>> a brand new interface to learn multiple times a day on the bad days.
>>> Simple is good, and I have gotten some absolutely technophobic persons to use Roku just fine (as long as I turn on the system; I have a complex turn-on sequence due to having 5 non-integrated devices, something you'll want to avoid), and switching (via single-button) from Roku to OTA is not a problem when I provide a small instruction sheet (3 sentences [for Watch TV, Watch Movies, Turn Off], fits on a 3X5 in 16pt Courier).
>>>
>>> I should mention that some of the newer "Smart" TV sets have built-in streaming video capability (including viewing any DLNA content on the local net), and that can be made fairly simple to use as well with a bit of remote-control programming.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ciao,
>>>>
>>>> der.hans
>>> <<SNIP>>
>>>
>>>
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