About Michael Havens, the list and the people...

[keith smith]

That may cause confusion.  I think each new topic needs it's own unique subject line.

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Keith Smith

--- On Fri, 11/30/12, Brian Weaver <bjweaver at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Brian Weaver <bjweaver at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: About Michael Havens, the list and the people...
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss at lists.phxlinux.org>
Date: Friday, November 30, 2012, 9:20 AM

It would be helpful if Mike could post his questions to a single thread/subject instead of starting a new topic for every new question. That way people who do not wish to follow can simply mute the thread instead of trying to filter by sender. 



On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Eric Cope <eric.cope at gmail.com> wrote:

Those are really good points Enrique.
An important step in the learning process is go from watching to doing. May I recommend that Michael *try* researching, then post his question along with what he has found and why he thinks his results are not his answer, or does not understand the results?



We all got started somewhere, so I respect the questions, I myself ask questions as well. I also respect the group enough to at least try to find the answer on my own.
My 2 cents,



Eric

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 8:50 AM, kitepilot at kitepilot.com <kitepilot at kitepilot.com> wrote:



Hello List: 

I am very well aware that Michael sometimes don't pose the most challenging questions and sometimes shows a total lack of previous research. 

I am also *VERY* well aware of how hard Michael is trying to learn and better himself. 

As a lifelong teacher (even though I don't make a living as one), I have found over the years people that go after knowledge and people that wait for knowledge to be brought to them. 

I have found people that picks up new ideas like sponges and people that seem to have a wall for learning. 

That is valid for anything that I have taught semi-professionally, which spans from hang-gliding to computer science, snowboarding and pilot training. 

This is what I have found about Michael:

1.-  Michael *IS* going after knowledge.

2.-  Michael *HAS* difficulties to acquire knowledge. 

I believe, as some people has expressed here, that Michael is a valuable member here because he represents the kind of people that needs the most help.  I also believe that nobody here should be judging Mike for his ability (or lack of) to gain knowledge. 




I agree that you are free to block Mike if you wish, but I disagree with anyone publicly stating 'Mike is so dumb that we should kick him out' because that express and undeserved and ignorant judgement and narrows the limits of those willing to participate in this list. 




I don't block Mike, although I don't always answer.

And I have the utmost respect for him.

Mike, please don't leave this list.

Enrique A. Troconis

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