OT: Time for substantive change.

[keith smith]

Ok,  maybe I was not completely clear.  To stay on point, my statement was not about whether it was valid or about who was doing what.  

My point was IF all 50 states decided to secede then who will stop them and I was drawing a contrast between the Civil War and what potentially is going on today.

The Civil War was possible because there were states who seceded and there were states that stood with the Federal Government.  This is a much different situation.  IF and I say IF all 50 stated really decided to secede who can stop them?  That was my point.

I agree most people, to include myself, do not want to secede, however you must read between the lines.  This is a warning to the Federal Government to get inline with the Constitution or further action will be taken. 


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Keith Smith

--- On Thu, 11/15/12, Joe Gibbs <joegibbs108 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Joe Gibbs <joegibbs108 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012, 3:21 PM

I call that statement bull crap.
Just because someone created a petition does not mean that all/most of the residents want to give up. 
Personally for a joke I could create a petition for those states that I don't like and then watch the fear-mongers start clicking yes.
 

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:24 PM, keith smith <klsmith2020 at yahoo.com> wrote:



What is different is all 50 states want to go their separate way.  Who will fight against it?  The President, his cabinet, the House, Senate, and the Supremes? 


This is different.  This is all the states against the federal government.  The federal government gets it's power from the people.  If the people withdraw, then there is not federal government.

The states created the federal government.  If all 50 states walk there is not federal government to fight to keep the 50 states together.  


Very different.

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Keith Smith

--- On Thu, 11/15/12, Robert Holtzman <holtzm at cox.net> wrote:


From: Robert Holtzman <holtzm at cox.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Time for substantive change.
To: plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us

Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012, 1:31 PM

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:10:17PM -0700, joe at actionline.com wrote:
> 
> The Declaration of Independence states: "Governments are instituted among

> men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that
> whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
> the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new

> Government."
> 
> Over the past few days,
 petitions have been started in all 50 states to
> secede from this now marxist-socialist "union."

IIRC we fought a hell of a bloody war over this around 150 or so yrs
ago. In the North it was called The Civil War. In the South it was

called The War of Northern Aggression. Either way, your side lost. 

           ..........snip.........

-- 
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