SCADA/Municipal water system attacks

[Lisa Kachold]

Quite correct.  It would be cracked quite key.  But not as fast as a real
word,  or modified word using say 0 for o and maybe@ for a.
On Nov 21, 2011 9:23 AM, "Derek Trotter" <expat.arizonan at gmail.com> wrote:

>  I figure that to be 830,584 possible combinations.  That's 26 lower case
> letters, 26 more upper case, 10 numbers and the special characters I
> counted on my keyboard.  That's 94 possible characters for each of the
> three in the password.  94*94*94=830,584.  Of course there are the other
> possible characters you can get by holding down the alt key and pressing a
> number, or using the windows character map.  Somehow I feel if they're only
> bright enough to come up with a three character password, we can dismiss
> those possibilities that aren't on the standard US keyboard.  I could be
> wrong, but I'm guessing a password cracking program wouldn't take too long
> to try 830,584 possible combinations.
>
> On 11/21/2011 0:33, Michael Butash wrote:
>
> Hah.
>
> "Hacker Says Texas Town Used Three Character Password To Secure Internet
> Facing SCADA System"
>
>
> http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/hacker-says-texas-town-used-three-character-password-secure-internet-facing-scada-system-11201
>
> Good enough for government.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On 11/20/2011 03:27 PM, Sam Kreimeyer wrote:
>
> I think that most operators generally take whatever data SCADA spits
> out at face value. After all, how would they recognize what dangerous
> behavior looks like if they don't understand how these systems work
> anyway? Let the IT guy figure it out.
>
> I think we are witnessing the nascence of an appreciation for just how
> devastating a vulnerability to industrial control mechanisms can be.
> The security of these systems has long relied on their own obscurity
> and the hope that nobody will be particularly inclined to cause havoc
> with no *obvious* potential for profit. That's why they have that
> expensive firewall, right?
>
> On 11/20/11, Derek Trotter<expat.arizonan at gmail.com><expat.arizonan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Same here.  When I first heard of this, I said to myself:  "Bet these
> systems run on windows."
>
> On 11/20/2011 14:00, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Michael Butash<michael at butash.net
> <mailto:michael at butash.net> <michael at butash.net>>  wrote:
>
>      There was some idle chat here prior about Stuxnet and how it
>      almost single-handed stopped or at least delayed Iran's Nuclear
>      aspirations, and I'd commented on how there was a variant called
>      Duqu that was running rampant in our SCADA systems that run
>      municipal water.
>
>      Seems our environmentals that run cities have and are being
>      exploited more frequently with more disclosures in the past few
>      days of incidents in Springfield Illinois and Houston Texas.  Not
>      only do I guarantee security on these systems and networks not up
>      to par, their embedded and obscure nature means they probably
>      aren't even regularly patched to take advantage.  In the
>      Springfield incident they actually caused damage to a critical
>      pump, and it's only going to continue to get worse as it's now
>      being talked about more mainstream and word spreads.
>
>      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/17/water_utility_hacked/
>
>      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/18/second_water_utility_hack/
>
>      I know I sleep better at night knowing all this software runs on
>      old windoze systems!  Even better is how they're talking about in
>      here how they are often now internet connected systems so they can
>      be managed remotely to save costs (i.e. outsource it).  Maybe
>      letting the Chinese government run our city water systems isn't
>      quite what they had in mind, but anything to save a buck in these
>      trying times I suppose...
>
>      -mb
>
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