ide-eide

Mon Nov 21 09:37:56 MST 2011

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> From: Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com>
> To: Main PLUG discussion list <plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 01:31:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: ide-eide
> This one is even better! Which seller should I go with? Has anyone heard
> of any of them?
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My computer (IBM NetVista was produced sometime between 2000 and 2002.
>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_NetVista)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Stephen <cryptworks at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have an old ed 120 gb drive. Only reason I don't use it is because its
>>> noisy as hell.
>>>
>>> In this case I would really look into a small hardware update if you can
>>> as your hitting a limit for replacement availability.
>>>
>>> And if you get a new Seagate or wd drive (retail not OEM) you can
>>> usually get some tools to sidestep some of those limits. But if the
>>> hardware can see it Linux will use it.
>>> On Nov 20, 2011 12:30 AM, "Michael Havens" <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> i need too look closer... it is a lap top drive. Darn!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> how about this drive:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=ide+hard+drive&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=7836135078448000879&sa=X&ei=vqrITpTSDqOyiQKi4837Dw&ved=0CLwBEPICMAM
>>>>>
>>>>> it is only 80 gb. Is that too big?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I gave up on the external hd aspirations because my mobo probably
>>>>>> won't boot a USB. You say that older mobos have problems recognizing larger
>>>>>> disks.... 160 gb is probably one of those. Could I partition it maybe and
>>>>>> it would see more of it... is there a work around?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Jim March <1.jim.march at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me add some hard disk advice, regardless of whether you do
>>>>>>> IDE/PATA or SATA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Laptop-class drives (2.5") are smaller and slower than a
>>>>>>> desktop-class drive (3.5").  BUT the laptop drives are much tougher, esp.
>>>>>>> in terms of drop-resistance, and put out a lot less heat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You'll pay more for the gigabyte for a laptop-class drive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you're using a laptop IDE drive in a desktop computer, you need
>>>>>>> an adapter to make it work.  Costs $5 at Fry's Electronics.  On SATA drives
>>>>>>> the connectors are the same for laptop or desktop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have a motherboard without SATA support, a SATA PCI adapter
>>>>>>> card is very cheap - about $20 tops (Fry's has tons).  It can be a much,
>>>>>>> much better idea to buy a SATA drive plus PCI adapter now as opposed to an
>>>>>>> IDE drive for an older motherboard.  By jumping to SATA right away you gain
>>>>>>> the ability to upgrade to a hotter SATA-support motherboard later.  And
>>>>>>> usually, the SATA PCI adapter card will let you run a big SATA drive on a
>>>>>>> motherboard that doesn't otherwise support big IDE/PATA drives, because the
>>>>>>> SATA PCI adapter takes over a lot of the hard disk support firmware from
>>>>>>> the motherboard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The best hard disks today are made by Western Digital, in my
>>>>>>> opinion.  A very close second is Seagate.  Comparatively speaking, the
>>>>>>> Japanese such as Hitachi, Toshiba and Fujitsu suck.  In terms of
>>>>>>> reliability Samsungs from Korea are actually better than the Japanese
>>>>>>> drives.  Maxtor is Seagate's "budget line" - avoid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you're buying an external drive that is NOT made by one of the
>>>>>>> above drive-makers (LaCie, Buffalo, SimpleTech, many MANY more) then you're
>>>>>>> buying a pig in a poke.  You have no idea what brand of actual drive is in
>>>>>>> there unless you either crack the case open (breaking the warrantee most
>>>>>>> likely) or you use software tools to probe the make/model info.  If however
>>>>>>> you buy a Western Digital external drive fr'instance, you can take it to
>>>>>>> the bank that there's a WD drive in there.  Same concept for all the rest,
>>>>>>> except that Seagate owns Maxtor and might slap a Maxtor drive under a
>>>>>>> Seagate-brand chassis.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:18 PM, JD Austin <jd at twingeckos.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IDE, EIDE, and PATA (Parallel ATA) have the same interface.
>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Older motherboards may have trouble recognizing larger drives.
>>>>>>>> IDE/EIDE/PATA is on it's way out.... get SATA if you have a choice
>>>>>>>> since it's unlikely you'll find a motherboard with EIDE on it.
>>>>>>>> Open Box= someone else didn't like it.
>>>>>>>> I'd go SATA if I were you (supports native hot swapping).
>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA
>>>>>>>> I often use laptop drives for such things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 18:48, Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this is the ad:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.macconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=8239542&cm_mmc=Base-_-8239542-_-Used-_-WN3&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=8239542
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have a sales guy telling me at http://www.macconnection.com/that an eide drive (theirs) will work on an IDE system. Is this true. As
>>>>>>>>>> stated before I don't know if my system is ide or eide. I have an IBM
>>>>>>>>>> NetVista computer. This is what they're trying to sell:
>>>>>>>>>> Open Box Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE 3.5" Hard Drive -
>>>>>>>>>> 8MB Cache
>>>>>>>>>>
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