moin moin, Sounds like Cathy's daughter is the perfect person for DefCon according to Chris' "Why is DefCon like sudoku?" presentation earlier this month. http://mychildssuitcase.blogspot.com/2011/06/channelling-energy-of-geeky-techy-kids.html ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # Science is magic explained. - der.hans