text-level semantics and the blind?

[Technomage Hawke]

Chas,
now you begin to see some of the problems I experience on some sites right now. html5 is going to make things at least 1 order or magnitude worse. I had 1 vinux and 1 jaws user also report the same problems. 

-Eric

On Jan 27, 2011, at 5:47 PM, ChasM Marshall wrote:

> Hiya Eric,
> 
>   I read your comment and just made a post over there too.
> My mistake was to include a "DEL" tag.
> Although my post had no ending tag,
> the remainder of my post was in unfiltered strikeout font.
> What's worse is, the tag itself was filtered, and disappeared.
> What?  No post preview?  I'm out-of-context.
> 
>   (-:  Chas.M.  :-)
> 
> P.S. Could someone confuse legal strikeout with deletion?
> 
> > Subject: Re: text-level semantics and the blind?
> > From: technomage.hawke at gmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 04:55:15 -0700
> > To: plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> > 
> > interesting.
> > I never noticed that before. the items that get </del> don't appear invisible to me. in fact, that attribute seems to be ignored. no wonder some documents get confusing to me. I do have a "text attributes" setting in voiceover that would tell me this, but it amps up the verbosity so much as to make reading standard web pages a mess to filter.
> > 
> > 
> > I posted the following to his comments section a few minutes ago:
> > "I was reading this page using voiceover. some of the text attributes were invisible to me. the <del> element was completely invisible. I didn’t even know that those entries were to be removed from the text.
> > 
> > btw, I am a mac user and use voiceover. color highlights, bold, italics, other enhancements are all invisible to me. the only way I could “see” them is if I turned on “text attributes” which would make an ordinary html/5 document unnecessarily verbose. Since I cannot read braille yet (and have no braille device), I have no clear idea if these same markers would be visible or otherwise in braille.
> > 
> > also, I have no clear idea how other screen access software (jaws, window eyes, thunder, system acces and NVDA) would react to these. more input from the blind community is needed."
> > 
> > -Eric
> > 
> > On Jan 27, 2011, at 2:49 AM, der.hans wrote:
> > 
> > > moin moin,
> > > 
> > > http://csswizardry.com/2011/01/html5-and-text-level-semantics/
> > > 
> > > How do these get represented in brail, via screen readers, etc.? Do they
> > > stand out at all? Do they muck up your tools? Are they just ignored?
> > > 
> > > ciao,
> > > 
> > > der.hans
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