networking ubuntu and mint and windows
Kevin Fries
kevin at fries-biro.com
Fri Dec 2 15:48:27 MST 2011
If you were not confused enough, there is also sshfs, where you can
mount a file system, like nfs, but use sftp protocol instead. This also
does not open up a second port, but uses your port 22 instead.
Aren't you glad you asked ;-)
Kevin
On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 15:36 -0700, Michael Havens wrote:
> >"Personally, I am not a fan of NFS. If I want files on another
> machine,I
> > open Nautulus (desktop file browser in Ubuntu), and type:>
>
> > ssh://myothermachine
>
> >I now have a windows that I can drag and drop files to and from. And
> if
> >I want to run something on that machine, I will use Free-NX. And it
> can
> >use the same SSH tunnel to do both.
>
> This is what I had in mind when I started this venture; but I think it
> would be good to learn both NFS and Free-NX.
>
> So I restarted the service, (it was nfs-kernel-service if you care).
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Kevin Fries <kevin at fries-biro.com>
> wrote:
> NFS is file sharing, like mounting a server directory in
> Windows. In
> the Windows platform, there are two programs that are
> installed as part
> of the standard Windows: Server, and Workstation.
>
> Server is what creates shares on your system that others can
> see through
> network neighborhood (or whatever MS is calling it this week,
> Network
> Places?)
>
> Workstation is the software that makes the link and makes it
> available
> to the current machine.
>
> Linux can install SMB to connect, or share its folders using
> the Windows
> protocol, called CIFS (old references will still call it SMB,
> which is
> its predecessor)
>
> Linux also has support for the old Unix equivalent, NFS, or
> Network File
> System. In NFS, the Server portion is handled by a daemon,
> and you
> create your shares though the /etc/exports file. The client
> side is
> handled via the standard mount command. But it is just a
> second
> protocol to handle the same task.
>
> Windows systems can also mount NFS drives, but you have to
> find, and
> install, the software separately. Mac's btw act exactly like
> Linux
> machine's in this case, and therefore can mount NFS natively,
> or you can
> in stall the Samba to talk CIFS.
>
> What I thought you were talking about earlier was remote
> desktop access.
> This is a completely different topic.
>
> Remote desktop means that you will see machine-a's desktop on
> machine-b's screen. This allows you to run a program on
> machine-a while
> being currently logged into machine-b. For that, I
> recommended Free-NX.
>
> Again, you have the Windows technology, and the one everyone
> else uses.
>
> Windows natively has a program called Terminal Services. You
> can
> connect as a client to a server at any time. Every version
> since XP has
> had this software installed, but you are limited to 1-2
> connections
> depending on your version of Windows. Ubuntu has a client for
> Terminal
> Server also.
>
> Linux and Mac machines generally use a program called VNC for
> remote
> desktop. It is included with every version I have ever seen
> of Linux
> (or is in the repositories). VNC has no security in it by
> default, so
> many tools have been built to secure the connection. The
> simplest is
> generally to tunnel it though a SSH connection.
>
> When I recommended Free-NX for remote desktop, It was due to
> the fact
> that you are obviously new to all of this, and wanted to point
> you to
> the easiest way to install the software. Free-NX will require
> you to
> have SSH setup between the machines (easy enough), and it will
> tunnel
> between the machine a VNC session. It hides all of this tough
> a very
> straightforward GUI, so it is fairly easy for a nubie.
>
> But Free-NX will not share files, it only let you see the
> desktop on the
> other side.
>
> NFS will not let you see the other side, or run programs on
> the remote
> machine, it will only share files.
>
> Personally, I am not a fan of NFS. If I want files on another
> machine,
> I open Nautulus (desktop file browser in Ubuntu), and type:
>
> ssh://myothermachine
>
> I now have a windows that I can drag and drop files to and
> from. And if
> I want to run something on that machine, I will use Free-NX.
> And it can
> use the same SSH tunnel to do both.
>
> Good Luck
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 14:35 -0700, Michael Havens wrote:
> > I am confused..... what exactly does NFS do? Maybe we should
> do both!
> > Below is the /etc/exports file i created for the computer I
> decided to
> > make the server
> >
> > # /etc/exports: the access control list for filesystems
> which may
> > be exported
> > / 192.168.0.0(ro) 192.168.0.1(ro)
> 192.168.0.4(rw,sync)
> > /home 192.168.0.2(ro,sync)
> >
> > (computers)
> >
> > (192.168.0.0) I don't know where this device is. I
> figure it has
> > to do with the router.
> > (192.168.0.1) Is the address to the router
> > (192.168.0.2) is the address to the windows box
> > (192.168.0.3) is the address to the designated server
> > (192.168.0.4) Is the address to the laptop wifi
> >
> > This is /etc/hosts.deny:
> >
> > portmap : all
> > lockd : all
> > mountd : all
> > rquotad : all
> > statd : all
> >
> > this is /etc/allow:
> >
> > portmap 192.168.0.0/192.168.0.4
> > lockd : 192.168.0.0/192.168.0.4
> > mountd : 192.168.0.0/192.168.0.4
> > rquotad : 192.168.0.0/192.168.0.4
> > statd : 192.168.0.0/192.168.0.4
> >
> > this being completed the next step in my guide tells me that
> these
> > daemons need to be started:
> > rpc.portmap
> > rpc.mountd,
> > rpc.nfsd
> > rpc.statd,
> > rpc.lockd (if necessary), and
> > rpc.rquotad
> >
> > google says that startup scrips are in /etc/init.d but in
> that directory the only rpc is rpcbind-boot which is a link
> to /lib/init/upstart-job
> > which is a script... one of the lines in it says:
> >
> >
> >
> > # Symlink target for initscripts that have been
> converted to Upstart.
> >
> > I'm a little lost! How do I get these scripts and add them
> to init.d or where should I put them?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Kevin Fries
> <kevin at fries-biro.com>
> > wrote:
> > Sorry I was slow to jump in on this one...
> >
> > NX rocks. I disagree that it is a pain to set up.
> It uses
> > VNC and SSH
> > to remote the desktop. Ubuntu .deb packages exist
> on their
> > site, so
> > install is pretty simple. And, it is as secure as
> anything
> > short of
> > full scale enterprise class application.
> >
> > HTH
> > Kevin
> >
> > On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 12:53 -0700, Michael Havens
> wrote:
> > > which way do you think is best for the learning
> experience?
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Stephen
> > <cryptworks at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > you can use rlogin via ssh, and then xming
> and putty
> > to do the
> > > same
> > > from windows to Linux boxes.
> > >
> > > these will maintain the most open options.
> I have
> > use the
> > > xming/putty
> > > combination and its pretty nice. and as
> secure as
> > your ssh
> > > session :-)
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Matt
> Graham
> > > <danceswithcrows at usa.net> wrote:
> > > > From: Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com>
> > > >> No MAC. Two Linux boxes and 1 Windows
> XP box. Is
> > there a
> > > way to
> > > >> make it so that I can have the desktop
> of the
> > other
> > > computer on
> > > >> another or else is this all text?
> > > > [snip]
> > > >
> > > > That's a bit of a different question,
> and has
> > nothing to do
> > > with NFS. This is
> > > > more like "remote access". There are a
> bunch of
> > ways; here
> > > are the most
> > > > popular:
> > > >
> > > > VNC/TightVNC : Totally cross-platform,
> tested,
> > stable,
> > > etcetera. On 'Doze,
> > > > TightVNC Server will, if run, make the
> 'Doze
> > desktop
> > > available to clients. On
> > > > Linux, you want x11vncserver or its
> > GUIfied/friendly
> > > counterparts KDE Desktop
> > > > Sharing or the GNOME equivalent
> (vino?). Many
> > clients
> > > exist. Pick your
> > > > favorite; they usually have "vnc" in
> their name
> > somewhere.
> > > NOTE: vncserver
> > > > and tightvncserver create a virtual
> Display
> > instead of
> > > sharing an
> > > > already-existing Display.
> > > >
> > > > Windows Desktop Sharing : A 'Doze box
> can share
> > its desktop
> > > to remote clients.
> > > > There's a Linux client called rdesktop
> that works
> > pretty
> > > well. Last I
> > > > checked, there was a proof-of-concept
> Linux server
> > that
> > > didn't work all that
> > > > well, so this is pretty much one-way
> only.
> > > >
> > > > NXServer : Proprietary free as in beer,
> but quite
> > fast over
> > > low-bandwidth
> > > > links. It's a bit of a pain to set up.
> It works
> > well once
> > > it's been set up.
> > > >
> > > > X11 : Can be used, usually isn't, since
> most
> > modern X
> > > servers are started with
> > > > -nolisten tcp , and GTK+ apps tend to
> behave badly
> > when not
> > > able to connect to
> > > > a local X socket.
> > > >
> > > > sshing to a Linux box is usually much
> faster than
> > dragging a
> > > GUI around. But
> > > > there are ways if you really need them.
> Don't
> > forget that
> > > you can "ssh -Y
> > > > remotehost xclient" to ssh to
> remotehost, then
> > tunnel X over
> > > ssh, so that
> > > > xclient is running on remotehost, but
> displaying
> > on your
> > > local Display, which
> > > > may be useful in some cases.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Matt G / Dances With Crows
> > > > The Crow202 Blog:
> http://crow202.org/wordpress/
> > > > There is no Darkness in Eternity/But
> only Light
> > too dim for
> > > us to see
> > > >
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