Exploitation?

[Lisa Kachold]

The topic of this thread is restated as Linux Administration shop pay,
including what constitutes "exploitation" in our market.

This is the Linux User Group Discuss list where we often post linux jobs,
discuss linux jobs and refer people for linux jobs.

This is not a discussion of how little any one makes and is therefore not a
venue for private slams.

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 2:27 PM, James Finstrom <
jfinstrom at rhinoequipment.com> wrote:

> LOL I am not the one off topic but  I am at fault as everyone knows your
> 256 shades of bat*** crazy and I made the mistake of pointing it out. I
> assume you will take your meds and not hurt yourself or anyone else for my
> mistake....
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> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Lisa Kachold <lisakachold at obnosis.com>wrote:
>
>> James,
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>> I accept your apology for the PLUG.
>>
>> Have a better day.
>>
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>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 1:51 PM, James Finstrom <
>> jfinstrom at rhinoequipment.com> wrote:
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>>> I am sure It would have been acceptable as a straight relay of the job.
>>> What was off topic was the personal commentary to the posters intentions and
>>> motivations ie: the subject of this email
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Lisa Kachold <lisakachold at obnosis.com>wrote:
>>>
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>>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 8:53 AM, keith smith <klsmith2020 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think this is a " Jr cabling/desktop monkey" job.  The job post
>>>>> says "...This position is 90% remote...".
>>>>>
>>>>> I think this is a start up and the owner has everyone work out of their
>>>>> home to keep the cost down and they meet at his house.
>>>>>
>>>>> About 12 years ago I worked for a consulting company.  I was W2 and
>>>>> worked from home.  He provided my computer, pay, limited benefits, and he
>>>>> worked out of his home.  By doing business this way he was able to keep the
>>>>> cost of doing business to a minimum.  I believe he started on a shoe string
>>>>> and just stayed there.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe this is an opportunity for someone to learn, grow, and get
>>>>> some resume material.
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Keith Smith
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On *Mon, 4/25/11, Kevin Fries <kfries6 at gmail.com>* wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Kevin Fries <kfries6 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Exploitation?
>>>>>
>>>>> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>>>>> >
>>>>> Date: Monday, April 25, 2011, 7:31 AM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure I would go directly to exploitation.  Though I would say
>>>>> they are trying to take advantage slightly.  All the requirements are 1-3
>>>>> years.  I would assume there is already in place a full admin, so this
>>>>> person would likely be a Jr cabling/desktop monkey.  Here in Denver that job
>>>>> would go for 40-45k a year and our tech job market is much stronger than
>>>>> yours.  I lost my job the last day of September last year and started my job
>>>>> search Oct 1... started a new job Nov 15th, and I was not the first to find
>>>>> one... but that is Denver.  Phoenix is a much tougher nut.  So while the
>>>>> rates are low, and probably not very realistic, I think exploitation is a
>>>>> bit strong.  I bet they find some nice kid 20-22 years old in the $15-$18
>>>>> range.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kevin
>>>>> On Apr 25, 2011 7:54 AM, "Lisa Kachold" <lisakachold at obnosis.com<http://mc/compose?to=lisakachold@obnosis.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Anyone seen this:
>>>>> http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/sad/2341174027.html
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --excerpt--
>>>>> >
>>>>> > COMPANY is now hiring a Linux / Windows Systems Admin. This is a Jr.
>>>>> Admin
>>>>> > role. We are looking for a energetic person who has a basic
>>>>> background in
>>>>> > administration. This position is 90% remote but you must reside in
>>>>> the
>>>>> > Phoenix area due to weekly meetings. Please see below for skill set.
>>>>> Please
>>>>> > do not apply if you are a seasoned admin this is a Jr. positions. Pay
>>>>> rate
>>>>> > is $10 - $12.50 an hour.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Windows Administration - 1 to 3 years
>>>>> > Linux Administration - 1 to 3 years
>>>>> > Networking - 1 to 3 years
>>>>> > UNIX - is a plus
>>>>> > Programing - is a plus
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > * Location: Phoenix Area
>>>>> > * Compensation: $10 - $12.50
>>>>> >
>>>>> > CRITICAL THOUGHT:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 1) How can you require all the same responsibilities in a so-called
>>>>> Junior
>>>>> > Systems Admin of a regular admin as a rationalization to only pay
>>>>> them
>>>>> > $12-15 an hour?
>>>>> > 2) This company is clearly not a .ORG - seems they have
>>>>> mis-registered their
>>>>> > domain name?
>>>>> > 3) Don't even sec scan their website...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > But hey, if you want to work from home, this might be a good gig, you
>>>>> can
>>>>> > work 15 minutes on the hour!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
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>>>>> > removed the user God." -Saros
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>>>>> Yes, I think this could be a good gig.
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>>>> We don't have a job posts area anymore or I would have laid her there.
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