Who Wants High Speed Fiber Connections in PHX?

[keith smith]

I would submit the relies are the answer to the original post.  A debate about whether we would want it in the first place. 


--- On Fri, 2/12/10, Dazed_75 <lthielster at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Dazed_75 <lthielster at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Who Wants High Speed Fiber Connections in PHX?
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 2:51 AM
> What I mean is that all the responses are
> about privacy and mistrust of the vendor rather than the
> experiment relating to higher speed access technology and
> that we could be a factor in getting Phoenix to be chosen as
> one of the experiment sites which seems the purpose of the
> original message.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:41 AM,
> Frank <francis.earl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Feb 12,
> 2010 at 1:31 AM, Dazed_75 <lthielster at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hmmm, original post and 10 replies.  And the only message
> on topic is the original question to which no one gave a
> response.  Very sad!!!
> 
> I think this is all on topic: having
> Google as an ISP in the Valley would give them the same
> access to our data as Cox currently has (in my case.)
> 
>  On Fri, Feb 12,
> 2010 at 1:01 AM, Frank <francis.earl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:29
> PM, Alan Dayley <alandd at consultpros.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Frank <francis.earl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > It really isn't any different to
> ISP's knowledge of our online activities
> 
> > now... I think its actually better since Google is
> fully upfront about their
> 
> > access to our online activities!
> 
> > Privacy is important, but on the internet, we've
> never had it... I don't
> 
> > really understand the uproar directed at Google, if
> anything, its better
> 
> > that so much is stored in one place... the more there
> is, the harder it is
> 
> > to track unless they have good reason. If you're
> doing nothing illegal on
> 
> > the internet, I don't see why people worry?
> 
> 
> 
> If it were financially feasible to do so, it sounds
> like you would
> 
> have no problem with a having a police officer follow you
> and watch
> 
> you 24/7.  After all, you would not do anything illegal,
> right?
> 
> We already have cameras on us almost
> anywhere we go, FBI also can tap your phone for a wide
> variety of reasons. Your television habits are tracked too,
> else how do they get ratings? I don't see people
> stopping their use of phones and TV, or not going on
> freeways or to public places due to privacy? Internet
> privacy is very similar in many ways to both of these,
> unless we're doing something wrong, we know they're
> not singling us out.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Your statement even points this out, it simply
> isn't feasible to track and monitor everything each
> person does online, there is simply too much data! With it
> all going to one source, it makes this even less feasible.
> AdSense and friends use your data in certain algorithms, but
> there isn't an actual person taking time out of their
> day to see what news articles you read today or what you
> downloaded yesterday.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I understand most people are much more private
> than me, but I personally worry more about things like
> censorship compared to privacy... I simply don't have
> much to hide.
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> 
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail
> settings:
> 
> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry
> 
> 
> The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on
> certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive.
>   - Thomas Jefferson
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> 
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail
> settings:
> 
> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> 
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> 
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail
> settings:
> 
> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry
> 
> 
> The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on
> certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive.
>   - Thomas Jefferson
> 
> 
> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------
> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail
> settings:
> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss