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but that's just "make-up". I'm going to make a vmware machine with it so
I'll see for myself. Since it will be on the same machine (mac) as my WinXP
vm (which I do use a lot), I'll be able to compare them easily.
Vista was a near daily frustration, either I've gotten used to the pain or
its gotten a little less painful. Probably both. I still don't like Vista. I
have to deal with it though. So I hope Win7 is better, a lot better, because
windows a part of my job.
As an aside, I use Vista, WinXP, and Mac OSX a lot. Ubuntu holds itws own
againts all of them. I've read some people think Win7 is a linux killer
(speaking of the netbook market). I don't buy that at all.
-j
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Joe Fleming <joe at selectitaly.com> wrote:
I'm really curious what all the fuss over windows 7 is all about. I mean,
it's just vista with a few changes, and from what I can tell those changes
are pretty small. I always think it's funny seeing sites talk about how bad
vista is and how much better 7 is, considering it's really nothing more than
a point release/service pack with a new name. Apparently m$ actually DOES
know how to play the marketing game. It'll be interesting to see how it's
received by consumers and the press when it's finally released I guess. Me,
I still don't have any problem running XP; works beautifully in VirtualBox
;).
-Joe
James Finstrom wrote:
I like to imagine it is because I am important or that its because I went to
church with many Microsoft cube gnomes when I lived in Washington but none
of these things are true simply because I am on a Microsoft Spam list I got
an invitation and license to download and play with Windows 7 beta. So let
me share the expierience and overview so far I like things with the word
free even if it is only as in beer and only for a short time, Anyhow with
fear and the smell of danger that acompanies all things that say Microsoft
and Beta in the same typography I clicked the shiny banner answered a few
questions and got a key + link. the minimum requirements say 1Gig ram and
128M video and blah blah something something okay whatever click.... Anyhow
the download comes up says this could take several days depending on your
provider and the download size is...... 2.44 GIG holy redhat batman I need
to go buy a dvd to burn this down to, well so much for free. Anyhow it is
chewing up some bandwith that can be better allocated but I am going to grab
it if for nothing else just to see if http://xkcd.com/528/ is true...
James Finstrom
Rhino Equipment Corp.
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B>=20
plug-discuss-bounces at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us=20
[mailto:plug-discuss-bounces at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] <B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Joe=20
Fleming<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 16, 2009 12:07 PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
Main=20
PLUG discussion list<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: OT: =
Redmond<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I don't know that they are specifically =
targeting=20
that market. I mean, most of the netbooks run vista already. Run over =
the Fry's=20
if you don't believe me..... all of their netbooks on display are =
running vista.=20
It was enough to make me not want to buy any of them, but I digress. =
I've read=20
the m$ has claimed that the reason most of them can't is because of the =
lack of=20
storage space, a problem that 7 clearly doesn't solve.<BR><BR>As for the =
storage=20
space, my Ubuntu install is using about 10GB right now. Of course, =
that's with=20
an office suite, a webserver, a few websites, my email, a bunch of =
pictures and=20
documents accumulated over the 2 years it's been installed (over 3GB in =
my home=20
directory right now)...... that's kind of the same, right? I mean, =
kinda,=20
right?<BR><BR>For the life of me I can't understand how the hell they =
use up so=20
much space for JUST the operating system! As an aside, I read that IE8 =
uses more=20
memory that the whole of XP too. Crazy.<BR><BR>-Joe<BR></FONT><BR>keith =
smith=20
wrote:=20
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3Dmid:928669.74445.qm at web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com =
type=3D"cite">
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vAlign=3Dtop><BR>So can we speculate that M$ is making Vista/win7 =
less=20
resource intensive so it can compete in the netbook=20
environment.<BR><BR>I understand it takes up about 10 Gigs of=20
space. <BR><BR>Would be nice to have an O/S that requires =
less and=20
is more efficient. Maybe we can recycle some old hardware=20
:)<BR><BR><BR>------------------------<BR>Keith =
Smith<BR><BR><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><BR></SPAN><BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, =
1/16/09,=20
Josh Coffman <I><A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E=20
=
href=3D"mailto:joshcoffman at gmail.com"><joshcoffman at gmail.com></A></=
I></B>=20
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: =
rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From:=20
Josh Coffman <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E=20
=
href=3D"mailto:joshcoffman at gmail.com"><joshcoffman at gmail.com></A><B=
R>Subject:=20
Re: OT: Redmond<BR>To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <A=20
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-rfc2396E=20
=
href=3D"mailto:plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us"><plug-discuss at li=
sts.plug.phoenix.az.us></A><BR>Date:=20
Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:59 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv1859635626>From what I hear, and this is from =
.Net devs who=20
are running win7, its described as "Vista without the crap". =
It=20
performs nearly as fast as WinXP and with far lighter hardware =
requirements than Vista. (which isn't hard) From the =
screenshots=20
I've seen, it has a lighter look and feel that Vista, but =
that's just=20
"make-up". I'm going to make a vmware machine with it so =
I'll=20
see for myself. Since it will be on the same machine =
(mac) as my=20
WinXP vm (which I do use a lot), I'll be able to compare them=20
easily.<BR><BR>Vista was a near daily frustration, either I've =
gotten=20
used to the pain or its gotten a little less painful. Probably =
both. I=20
still don't like Vista. I have to deal with it though. So I =
hope Win7=20
is better, a lot better, because windows a part of my job. =
<BR><BR>As=20
an aside, I use Vista, WinXP, and Mac OSX a lot. Ubuntu holds =
itws own=20
againts all of them. I've read some people think Win7 is a =
linux=20
killer (speaking of the netbook market). I don't buy that at =
all.=20
<BR><BR>-j<BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Joe =
Fleming=20
<SPAN dir=3Dltr><<A href=3D"mailto:joe at selectitaly.com" =
target=3D_blank=20
rel=3Dnofollow =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">joe at selectitaly.com</A>></SPAN>=20
wrote:<BR>
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style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; =
BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I'm really curious what all the fuss =
over=20
windows 7 is all about. I mean, it's just vista with a few =
changes,=20
and from what I can tell those changes are pretty small. I =
always=20
think it's funny seeing sites talk about how bad vista is =
and how=20
much better 7 is, considering it's really nothing more than =
a point=20
release/service pack with a new name. Apparently m$ actually =
DOES=20
know how to play the marketing game. It'll be interesting to =
see how=20
it's received by consumers and the press when it's finally =
released=20
I guess. Me, I still don't have any problem running XP; =
works=20
beautifully in VirtualBox =
;).<BR><BR>-Joe<BR></FONT><BR>James=20
Finstrom wrote:=20
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">I like to imagine it is because I =
am=20
important or that its because I went to church with many =
Microsoft=20
cube gnomes when I lived in Washington but none of these =
things=20
are true simply because I am on a Microsoft Spam list I =
got an=20
invitation and license to download and play with Windows 7 =
beta.=20
So let me share the expierience and overview so far I like =
things=20
with the word free even if it is only as in beer and only =
for a=20
short time, Anyhow with fear and the smell of danger that=20
acompanies all things that say Microsoft and Beta in the =
same=20
typography I clicked the shiny banner answered a few =
questions and=20
got a key + link. the minimum requirements say 1Gig =
ram and=20
128M video and blah blah something something okay =
whatever=20
click.... Anyhow the download comes up says this could =
take=20
several days depending on your provider and the download =
size=20
is...... 2.44 GIG holy redhat batman I need to go buy a =
dvd to=20
burn this down to, well so much for free. Anyhow it is =
chewing up=20
some bandwith that can be better allocated but I am going =
to grab=20
it if for nothing else just to see if <A=20
href=3D"http://xkcd.com/528/" target=3D_blank =
rel=3Dnofollow=20
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">http://xkcd.com/528/</A> is =
true...<BR><BR><BR clear=3Dall>James Finstrom<BR>Rhino =
Equipment=20
Corp.<BR><BR><PRE><HR width=3D"90%" SIZE=3D4>
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