OT:Exchange good? - And the flame wars begin (Was:Re:newhotness?)

[Bryan O'Neal]

Agreed.  If you don't need an integrated pim like exchange don't run one.  I
like postfix for just email. Frankly, even if you do need contacts,
calendar, tasks, ect. If you don't need you users to easily collaborate and
exchange this information combined with document management and the ability
to be notified when X is done by user Y and then don't use exchange.  Of
course on the other side is that if you need all this and more but don't
care if it's integrated into a nice neat littlie client because you have
easily trained professionals using it then you can probably find something
better then exchange. However if you in your midst a collection of people
earning between $8/hour and $250/hour, some of which can not be easily
trained and some who can and some who and 65 year old secretaries who can
somehow manage to get a set of plans processed and to the city in hours not
weeks, then maybe you should reconsider exchange.

Now, all that said.  I have also managed to convince people to give up MS
office because it was easier to learn OO then Office 2007.  For them the
cost is not the $200/ person in software e cost it is the cost incurred in a
loss of productivity of the employee.  And that is a real cost that needs to
be considered too.

So, when you need a system like exchange, and you have people who are all
already trained with exchange/outlook then it is an incredibly cost
effective choice.

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[mailto:plug-discuss-bounces at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Bob
Elzer
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:13 PM
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Subject: RE: OT:Exchange good? - And the flame wars begin
(Was:Re:newhotness?)

I remember the ACDSee picture program on Windows, when it first came out, it
was the really fast way to view your photos. Now it's a sloth of a program
and wastes resources. Which is why I still run the old version.

I want something small and fast, to just display my photo, I don't need all
that extra crap built in.

Exchange has become that sloth, MS wants it to do everything, thus it
becomes bloated and slow.

Cobbling is really making your system modular, don't need a PIM, don't run
one, just need mail, just run that.

MS has always had the "Do it ALL in one program" mentality, and they don't
mind gobbling up all your resources to do it.

Just look at Vista and Windows 7, could someone please explain why the OS
went from 4GB in Win Xp to 11GB in Vista and Win 7 ??? without gaining and
new usability. Sure it's got nifty graphics, but 7GB worth ?
Really can anybody explain where the 7Gb went ?

I'd love to get a more powerful machine, but not so I can get back to where
I already was with the OS, SO I CAN DO MORE.

Just because a client has multiple functions built in, doesn't mean the
server has to also.

I may be able to disable functions in exchange, but it still uses the
resources for those functions.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:plug-discuss-bounces at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Craig
White
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 11:18 AM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: OT:Exchange good? - And the flame wars begin
(Was:Re:newhotness?)

On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 10:43 -0700, Stephen wrote:

> It also explains the "cobble" mentality that alot of people have.
----
the 'cobble mentality' is core to open source. Everywhere you turn you find
it.

The whole notion is that you don't have to supply a dictionary and an engine
to access it but rather your program merely uses the aspell api and you have
access to a functional spell checker. Each application builds upon the
various other libraries that are available.

Whereas Linux and open source in general provides software a rich platform
to develop (license compatibility withstanding), the Microsoft platform
continues to shrink as Microsoft absorbs core applications and technologies
either by purchase or by adoption.
----
> so in reviewing what is out there i personally am thinking fedora 
> federated server, and i think free IPA as the core, because that is a 
> solid base to start from and will give a very ready path to replacing 
> MS ad for windows clients. I would consider OpenSUSE but they do not 
> have a non-commercial AD replacement, only Commercial.
----
again, we are looking towards a monolithic, packaged solution which
understandably becomes a corporate driven integration of various open source
tools. I suspect at some point in the future, freeipa will be a core service
for all but the most die hard Windows shops. All of these tools actually
exist today but the neat, single package concept clearly motivates some
people...I get that. Recognize though, that any packaging becomes a limiting
factor because it dictates setup, configuration and behavior.

Craig

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