new hotness?

[Stephen]

I agree on exchange really
If you need just email exchange is the wrong thing but if you are
looking at all the other stuff I haven't seen anything close without
some serious work and cobbling

But that email service for home or small office use is amazing

On 2/19/09, Bryan O'Neal <boneal at cornerstonehome.com> wrote:
> You caught me.  I know this seems like flame bait so I will try not to stoke
> the fire too much
> 1) You are correct about Knopix, but their are a number of specialty live
> distros I have used over the years, including one base on widows xp. That
> said these are primarily used for diagnostics and recovery not for every day
> use.
> 2) For virtualization I am still a fan of VMware and have never found a
> compelling reason to change. However, if you are looking to cram your server
> full of less robust, but just as secure, containers OpenVZ really does look
> like your product.  I have never been in this situation so I can not say how
> it performs in an enterprise environment, but from what I have seen I like
> it; but not as much as standard VM solutions.  Then again, to me Free as in
> Beer is almost as good as Free as in Freedom; for many people here this is
> not the case. The nice thing about VM ware is that if all you need is simple
> virtualization, you can use their free products, but if you need the power
> of this mid rang and higher end products you will not find anything better
> and I can almost guarantee despite the upfront price your TCO will be lower.
> Again, this is just my opinion based on my experience and I know their will
> their will likely be a small flame war and so I apologize.
> 3) SmartMail does not look to be a true exchange substitute.  Perhaps I did
> not see it in my quick look at their site, but the beauty of Exchange is the
> collaboration components. Even simple items like shared calendars, tasks,
> contacts, public folders, etc. are the core of exchange.  Not only that it
> is an amassing platform for custom plug-in development extending it's
> capabilities far beyond a simple mail server.  Exchange really attempts to
> be the perfect PIM.  And, as buggy as it is I have not found a substitute
> that is remotely close.  Though I have been tempted by some projects like
> hula or a grouping systems like Zimbra, Suger, etc. together to take over
> the functions of exchange, the cost was just way to high and the return was
> negligible over exchange.  If all you need is mail, run postfix/SquilMail
> and be done with it.  If you need other functions but can not afford to run
> your own exchange server and BES just outsource your email to Google. Sure
> Google is no substitute for exchange either, but it is a bit closer and it
> is basically free.  And I take some exception at the "Exchange is hard"
> stereotype.  Sure it is convoluted and patchy, but so are all Microsoft
> products.  IMHO Exchange is no harder the any other MS server product. ;)
>
> Ok, now that I have dove in here, let me get the fire suit on before I get
> roasted alive :)
>
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> From: plug-discuss-bounces at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Lisa
> Kachold
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:56 PM
> To: plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: RE: new hotness?
>
>
> No technical professional today can afford to not become familiar and
> proficient with KNOPPIX including checking out the excellent O'Reilly
> Knoppix Tools books that provide s-hexy solutions that defy nix arrogance to
> trancend Microsoft, Apple and web systems tricks.
>
> As for Linux based toys and tricks (as well as alternatives to Microsoft)
> you might try:
>
> OpenVZ: http://wiki.openvz.org/Main_Page
>
> Virtuozzo was built upon OpenVz which is a great FREE Open Source Linux
> based Windows and Linux virualization suite should you want to play with
> multiple integrated web systems on one server.  Unlike VMWare OpenVZ has
> great ROI cost (free) as far as bridge overhead and disk memory
> requirements.
>
> A great cheap tool built upon OpenVz that uses Microsoft (Intead of Linux)
> to create multiple virtual systems is Virtuozzo:
> http://www.parallels.com/products/virtuozzo/
>
> Virtual Linux platforms are wonderful for a development web environments
> that can host for development QA or Disaster Recovery.
>
> I also recommend Vmware ESX server (now available for free download) which
> allows you multiple virtual machines, including Solaris, Linux of many
> versions, and Windows.
>
> Unlike "Open Sores" purists, I will play with an implement anything and you
> can benefit from the experience with these Virts!
>
> Also, for those professionals locked securely with one foot in a Gates World
> and the other in Linus Land, check out SmarterMail:
>
> It's a wonderful and very cheap alternative to Exchange/Webmail that allows
> for IM/iPhone access within range, Blackberry portals, mass marketing mail
> plugins, domain keys and DKM (for ensuring deliverability) and really
> reliable spam scraping and virus controls via that oh so horribly "difficult
> to manage" Microsoft-ish interface.
>
> https://www.smartertools.com/SmarterMail/Features/Windows-Mail-Server-Softwa
> re-Webmail-Exchange-Alternative.aspx
>
>
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>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:51:55 -0700
>> Subject: new hotness?
>> From: cryptworks at gmail.com
>> To: plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>>
>> I have been looking about for the new hotness as it were. and
>> wondering what dis has something really groundbreaking that makes it
>> worthwhile to look at.
>>
>> I guess part of me is tired of the flavor of the month distributions
>> that are esentially something else with a new look and a slightly
>> different package base or whatnot.
>>
>> for example Fedora Directory Server is very interesting to me, because
>> whether we like it or not this will be a windows heavy world for some
>> time. but what else is there that i cna really sink my teeth into. or
>> even whats worth doing that with?
>>
>> My personal list of Distributions i have spent some real quality time with
>>
>> Ubuntu/Debian
>> Fedora/Red Hat new and old/Centos
>> Suse/Opensuse
>> Gentoo
>>
>> and a few other that more or less were a repackage of one of the above
>>
>> --
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>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
>>
>> Stephen
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