Google Problem 1/31

Sun Feb 1 15:35:01 MST 2009

If you're a "slave" to your shareholders, and you truly believe you are
heading down the wrong path, then it is your duty (CEO) to buy back the
shares and start reducing the shareholder's claim on the company,
including keeping your own shares to ensure your power is maintained.

I don't see any corporation as a slave to the shareholder. There are
decisions that can be made to reduce shareholder influence.
Unfortunately, CEO's just sell their shares when it comes time to cash
in. They don't think about how they can retain control and drive the
company to a better future. (Of course, why wouldn't you sell? The
company can just ask for a bail out from the government after the CEO
has milked it for all it's worth...) 

That's my take on the whole "you are a victim to the shareholders"
concept. (I've never let that excuse slide and I brought that up at the
last shareholders meeting at the company I work for...which, FYI, I am
starting to buy shares in. :) )

On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 15:21 -0700, stewart m wieneke wrote:
> I agree with you on that, T. I've generally tell unsatisfied Windows
> users that Microsoft isn't in business to make good software, they're in
> business to make MONEY! Linux, OTOH, is a completely different business
> model.
> 
> On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 22:09 +0000, Tameek Henderson wrote:
> > Craig,
> > 
> > I think the "problem" with companies like Apple and Microsoft are they're slaves to their shareholders.  These companies have made their money off a business model Windows/Office for Microsoft and Ipod/Mac for Apple.  Subsequently, investors have brought into these business models, and Microsoft and Apple must adhere to their investors.  Once companies get to that point they will do whatever's necessary to protect their marketshare
> > 
> > Am I making sense at all?  Typing on this Blackberry is a chore :-p
> > 
> > 
> > Tameek Henderson
> > 646.427.3205
> > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/116/522
> > 
> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Craig White <craigwhite at azapple.com>
> > 
> > Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 14:49:13 
> > To: Main PLUG discussion list<plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> > Subject: Re: Google Problem 1/31
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 14:13 -0700, Jason wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 20:26 +0000, Tameek Henderson wrote:
> > > > I'm starting to believe hating Microsoft and/or Apple are prequisite
> > > > for this Linux Groups.  Anyway, my name is Ty, I'm a noob, also just
> > > > moved to Arizona.  Good day to you all.
> > > 
> > > A lot of people say that. But the reality is that you get sick of
> > > Microsoft and their games. Apple, I kinda like them now that they are
> > > moving away from the DRM crap and so on.
> > ----
> > I think you are living in alternate reality. Yes, they did free up their
> > iTunes store from selling DRM but that's because they could see that
> > purchasers were figuring out how much they were being screwed by the
> > restrictions and it was hurting sales.
> > 
> > but if you think Apple is moving away from DRM - think again...
> > 
> > http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/11/apple-downgrades-macbook-video-drm
> > ----
> > > I don't think that we hate just Microsoft...we hate people who
> > > continuously try to monopolize and restrict growth to their own private
> > > gains. 
> > > 
> > > That, of course, is the exact reason why people like Open Source
> > > Software, and why Linux is growing.
> > > 
> > > Now, ask yourself, does Microsoft try to monopolize and restrict growth
> > > (and even usage)? Does Apple? Does Linux? BSD? Unix? What about Cisco
> > > and their IOS?
> > > 
> > > So, is it a prerequisite to hate those restrictive companies? 
> > > 
> > > I'll let you ponder that and maybe you can see why there is "bad blood"
> > > between some of us and those companies.
> > ----
> > I don't disagree with your logic but I do disagree with your assessment
> > of Apple and it seems evident to me that Apple would be equally as bad
> > as Microsoft if they actually had market share.
> > 
> > They also have been heavy handed with the applications that they allow
> > for sale in iTunes store for iPhone and iPod/iPod Touch
> > 
> > And as long as I'm dumping on Apple...why didn't they help deliver a
> > version of OOo for OSX and even to this day, MacBooks/iMac's still come
> > with a 'trial' version of Microsoft Office instead of a free copy of
> > OOo.
> > 
> > The simple fact is that these companies are corporations that will
> > continually sell you the same software over and over again with
> > artificial restrictions imposed on the 'purchaser'.
> > 
> > For me, it's not a question of hate because I don't hate these companies
> > but I extremely dislike their marketing tactics, their intentional
> > design choices that disfavors the consumers of their products and their
> > excessive control over the hardware manufacturers that complicates life
> > for the Linux user.
> > 
> > Craig
> > 
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