****Re: Geek/Tech/Entrepreneur Stuff to do in PHX

Mon Aug 10 12:13:40 MST 2009

As an ex-Canadian, I can give you several specific personal examples of why moving towards the Canadian more socialist health care model is NOT desirable. (Eg I got tainted blood transfusions at the very same time that 2 hours drive away in New York state, the blood was being screened!)

As someone who knows a US vet, I can give you a specific example of why you should NOT TRUST the government to mess any more with your health care.  (eg his foot became infected with a diabetes-related issue, and he had to fight them to keep them from cutting it off!!!)

Kaia

> > I agree our health care system is not as good as it
> could be.  I worked for an HMO 12 years ago and saw it first hand.
> > 
> > We need freedom not restriction.  We need to be
> free of the current model of health care.  I feel the model is 
> alternative health care backed by a indemnity health insurance plan.  
> A plan that lets you go to the doctor and pay them directly.  An 
> insurance plan that makes you responsible for 20% of your charges.

...

> backs and have government fund health care and let businesses stop 
> paying the obscene amounts for health care. Taking the insurance 

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--- On Sun, 8/2/09, Craig White <craigwhite at azapple.com> wrote:

> From: Craig White <craigwhite at azapple.com>
> Subject: Re: ****Re: Geek/Tech/Entrepreneur Stuff to do in PHX
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> <plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 6:21 PM
> On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 17:33 -0700,
> keith smith wrote:
> > 
> > So pumping trillions of dollars into special interest
> projects is how we save the economy.
> > 
> > Saving GM was about the democrat party buying
> votes.  Look who owns GM now.  This is I did you a favor now you owe 
> me a favor type of politics.
> > 
> > Not to mention this is more than likely
> unconstitutional.  Have you read the constitution lately?  The federal 
> government is allotted very little especially when you read the 10th 
> Amendment.
> > 
> > I wonder if I get my credit card out and run it up to
> the limit if I will end up better off?
> > 
> > The free market has not failed.  The government
> has failed in trying to manage it and our money supply ECT.
> > 
> > Lets look at one simple sector of our economy.
> The housing market.  The housing market is where the down turn in our 
> economy started.  And it all was mostly in the Phoenix area.
> > 
> > Did you know the housing market is in a state of
> recovery in Phoenix.  How would I know about this.  I am trying to buy 
> a house.  While houses are at 30% - 50% lower in price now than 2 
> years ago, houses are being bid on and competition has returned.  The 
> government has had little to do with the recovery in the Phoenix 
> housing market.  It has been through private investment.
> > 
> > One thing that has been neglected is that markets
> adjust.  It is natural.  When the government gets involved the 
> problems are exasperated and I believe will ultimately be made worse.
> > 
> > Hyper inflation is projected to be in our
> future.
> > 
> > When I make statements about government needing to be
> pruned to the tune of 85% all I have to do is look at the Arizona 
> government that has grown 60% in the past 5 years.  60% in 5 years.
> > 
> > What is our state government doing today that we now
> know that we were deprived of before 2004 ?
> > 
> > It has been said that Bush spent more during his
> tenure than all the presidents before him combined. Obama is going to 
> make what Bush spent look like pocket change.
> > 
> > This alone is an indicator that government need to be
> timed back substantially.
> > 
> > Sales tax in California is now 9.75%.  Almost 10%
> of everything bought in California is tax at one tenth.  That is 
> outrageous.  And they are still having budget problems.
> > 
> > Talking about budgets, when we cannot balance our
> budget government spending is out of control.
> > 
> > I believe that reducing taxes and the size and scope
> of government will spur economic growth.
> > 
> > Let the people vote with their dollars.  Let them
> own and carry guns, as long as they have proven to be responsible, let 
> them eat cheese burgers if the choose, let them chose their doctor and 
> their insurance plan.
> > 
> > I agree our health care system is not as good as it
> could be.  I worked for an HMO 12 years ago and saw it first hand.
> > 
> > We need freedom not restriction.  We need to be
> free of the current model of health care.  I feel the model is 
> alternative health care backed by a indemnity health insurance plan.  
> A plan that lets you go to the doctor and pay them directly.  An 
> insurance plan that makes you responsible for 20% of your charges.
> > 
> > Lets un-handcuff our medical professionals so they can
> do what they do best.
> > 
> > Lets un-handcuff our businesses.  You are self
> employed.  How do you feel every quarter when you send in your taxes?  
> I feel cheated.
> > 
> > I think freedom is the answer.  So did our
> Founding Fathers. 
> ----
> you are all over the map.
> 
> The National Debt went from less than 2 trillion to over 10 trillion 
> under Bush.
> 
> There's no suitable prediction for what the net effects of Obama's 
> efforts will yield. The destruction of the world economy and a 
> depression perhaps larger than that experienced in the 1930's was 
> probably if the government had not stepped in and propped up some of 
> these companies. If you have an argument to make about that, by all 
> means make one. The fact is we printed money to fight an expensive war 
> in Iraq that we couldn't afford and pumped up the economy on a false 
> housing bubble that burst because there was no oversight over the 
> lenders and the bundling of the loans. I personally lay this at Bush's 
> feet.
> 
> Chicago is 10% sales tax
> NY, NY is 9+% sales tax
> by the time our own state government gets through, we will be above 9%
> 
> The freedom of which you speak is a platitude. It has no basis to the 
> reality of our current economic conditions, all caused by lack of 
> government oversight into lending and the bundling of the securities 
> bundles created with these terrible lending practices. Free market is 
> the problem not the solution.
> 
> If you want to spur economic growth, take the monkey off businesses 
> backs and have government fund health care and let businesses stop 
> paying the obscene amounts for health care. Taking the insurance 
> companies out of the equation saves at least $400B annually. Then 
> businesses can compete. Small businesses can no longer afford to 
> purchase health care for their employees. It has become obscenely 
> expensive.
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
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