Sonoran Penguin

Wed Aug 5 18:37:52 MST 2009

Yes, that's true with PLUG.  Hans does a great deal, but needs
non-profit status, regular people to just do things like update the
website, order tee shirts and sell them (we all want tees) and run
contests (shirt design) and do promotion (although a plugin for Drupal
exists that allows for promotion to other sister lists at the touch of
a button).

There is no treasury - so we are limited in that.  And anything that
smears that line between private (domain names - website promotion for
the PLUG, etc) turns people off in a big way.

Altruism only only goes so far - an efficient non-profit runs as such.

But other groups with all that in place still are mired in argument,
gossip, petty backbiting (competition [even when we all have excellent
skills) can be devasting to a group]) lack of volunteers and politics,
so we are doing fairly well.

On 8/5/09, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
>   Nothing substantial can be organized unless there is clear
> management.  Who will determine what is an 'improvement' and what is a
> total failure?  PLUG needs to grow up and harness the talents that we
> currently have in abundance.  Stop with these silly games pretending
> no one is running the show.  Every time I ask anything of substance, I
> am referred to the 'steering committee'.  Then Lisa claims there is no
> committee when it is explicitly referred to.  No one ever states who
> is on the steering committee, expect for at least a few references
> that it includes Hans.  We do however have loads of complaints about
> how crappy this list is getting and how great it was back in some
> mythical past when everyone politely answered everyone else's
> technical questions expeditiously and never strayed into outer
> territories of political blasphemy.
>
>   Its kind of funny and kind of tiring.
>
>   -jmz
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:36 PM, mike havens<bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I joined the florida LUG and I never get messages from them except for
>> announcements. So a LOT happens with PLUG.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Which is why practically nothing ever happens :(
>>>
>>>  -jmz
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Lisa Kachold<lisakachold at obnosis.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Committee?
>>> >
>>> > No, we just make improvements.  No one gets to control things.
>>> >
>>> > On 8/5/09, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>  Howdy,
>>> >>
>>> >>   ok Im willing to make a professional Drupal template for PLUG.  The
>>> >> whole process should be a few days work.  I will make design proofs
>>> >> and the steering committee can decide whatever way they chose (cast
>>> >> ballots, draw straws, dartboard, etc.).  The designs will be based on
>>> >> the concept Lisa posted.  PLUG committee must agree to use the
>>> >> template for at least one year, which includes a small attribution
>>> >> link in the footer of every page.
>>> >>
>>> >>   perhaps this may lead to better efforts to get people to use the
>>> >> site.  I did discuss with Hans the idea of using web forums to
>>> >> ameliorate all these listserv problems.  In this scenario it is far
>>> >> easier to organize technical questions and have them accessible via
>>> >> search engine.  Also it is easier to manage relations with people whom
>>> >> you are not interested in reading ,etc.  The problem Hans raised is
>>> >> that a lot of users only want to use email.  Also putting it on web
>>> >> allows PLUG to raise money with advertising to fund events, etc.
>>> >>
>>> >>  -jmz
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Stephen<cryptworks at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> im game for it...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> and honestly im curious about the process
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Joshua Zeidner<jjzeidner at gmail.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>>  If everyone likes this, I can offer to write a Drupal template for
>>> >>>> the PLUG site using this concept.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>  -jmz
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:03 PM, R P Herrold<herrold at owlriver.com>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>> On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>  I made it with GIMP.  How come no one liked it when I posted
>>> >>>>>> it????
>>> >>>>>>  I need to fire my PR manager.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I read email with [al]pine in a monochrome terminal, fast and
>>> >>>>> low, and tossing read pieces out.  If it was in an early
>>> >>>>> email, I missed it.  I cannot say that I saw repetition of a
>>> >>>>> URL where I might view it, although the compliments seem to
>>> >>>>> indicate its worth.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> -- Russ herrold
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>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you
>>> >>> from
>>> >>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Stephen
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