Geek/Tech/Entrepreneur Stuff to do in PHX

[Joshua Zeidner]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:05 PM, keith smith<klsmith2020 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> The national guard incident you are referring to was a government mistake.  I suspect you are writing about Kent State.
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> As an ex-police officer and and ex-Arizona National Guardsman I can say using the national guard to deal with a demonstration was a bad idea.
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> I suspect most states do little or no training on how to deal with these types of issues.  I was active duty with the Marine Corps and after being discharged from active duty I joint the Arizona Army National Guard. I received a lot of training of which maybe 1 or 2% of it had to do with civil disobedience.  The other 98 or 99% of my training was combat training.
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> As a police officer I spent all my time dealing with the civilian population.  Much different training and response to problems.
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> The government should never deploy the National Guard, reserve forces, or Active Duty personnel against American civilians.

  you do know that Posse Comitatus has essentially been repealed?

  http://public.cq.com/public/20061201_homeland.html

  -jmz

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> Keith Smith
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> --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Craig White <craigwhite at azapple.com> wrote:
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>> From: Craig White <craigwhite at azapple.com>
>> Subject: Re: Geek/Tech/Entrepreneur Stuff to do in PHX
>> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss at lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
>> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:39 PM
>> On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 16:08 -0700,
>> Lyle Tuttle wrote:
>> > At 03:05 PM 8/2/2009, you wrote:
>> > > On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 14:42 -0700, keith smith
>> wrote:
>> > > > Some think deregulation was a factor.
>> Bailing out thosw who made
>> > > bad
>> > > > decisions is even worse.
>> > > >
>> > > > We should have let GM and Chrysler go
>> bankrupt at the get go.  We
>> > > > should have held those accountable for risky
>> loans accountable not
>> > > > bailed them out.
>> > > ----
>> > > the bailout of Chrysler and GM was to save the
>> health care benefits
>> > > and
>> > > pensions of the retired and workers. Why should a
>> government exist
>> > > except to benefit the people?
>> > >
>> > > the bailout of banks and investment houses was
>> simply to prevent a
>> > > huge
>> > > depression. We surely haven't seen the bottom of
>> this recession and
>> > > who
>> > > knows how many more jobs & homes will be lost
>> when it is done. While
>> > > it
>> > > goes against everything we all think is proper,
>> bailing out some of
>> > > the
>> > > companies that caused this nightmare may have
>> been the only option
>> > > to
>> > > prevent a complete meltdown of the economy. It
>> still may come to
>> > > pass.
>> >
>> > Government CREATED these issues above -- have you
>> considered that?
>> ----
>> that's absurd - make an argument for this assertion please
>> ----
>> > > > Wait til you social security disappears and
>> we move into hyper
>> > > > inflation.
>> > > ----
>> > > social security is solid if our government is
>> solid. It is funded
>> > > into
>> > > 2040 and those who are calling it endangered do
>> so for political
>> > > reasons.
>> >
>> > If that is true, why are they now wanting to limit
>> [change the rules]
>> > Medicare/Medicaid - same thing only different....and
>> you call SS OK --
>> > what if you are 20 years old now -- will SS be there
>> for you?
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>> there is plenty of time to correct a shortfall in Social
>> Security by
>> 2040. This is a perfect example of a government program
>> that has worked
>> very well.
>>
>> Medicare is obvious...the costs are skyrocketing. I suppose
>> you can
>> twist things to make it fit any result you want to get but
>> none of the
>> politicians want to kill Medicare. They don't have the
>> political will.
>> Medicare is here to stay and it is a government run health
>> plan...deal
>> with it.
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>> > > I seem to recall our own national guard shooting
>> at people in this
>> > > country who stood up against the government. I
>> fail to see the
>> > > difference here.
>> >
>> > The main difference [beside the numbers and the freq
>> of occurance] was
>> > that here, there was repercussion; in China not.....
>> ----
>> did Ohio National Guardsman go to jail for shooting unarmed
>> citizens?
>> Did they lock up the commanders who told them to load their
>> weapons with
>> live rounds?
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>> cut me a break...what was the repercussion anyway?
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>> I can see that life is much simpler when one denies that
>> our own
>> government is spying on its citizens, torturing and
>> murdering prisoners
>> and lying to the public about the reasons for going to war
>> and instead
>> wants to point fingers at other countries.
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>> I can see that life is much simpler when we blame our own
>> government for
>> all of these things but we are our government and they are
>> we. We allow
>> them to do these things.
>>
>> Craig
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