OT: Speed Cams

[Joshua A. Andler]

On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 12:58 -0700, Josef Lowder wrote:
> On 4/2/09, Joshua A. Andler <scislac at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 10:55 -0700, Josef Lowder wrote:
> >  > There is no sensible basis for opposing photo radar speed limit enforcement.
> >
> > Give me a break... if the people don't want it, and the government is
> >  supposed to work for the people, that is a sensible basis.
> 
> That is absurd.  It is not, by any logic or reason, sensible to oppose
> enforcement of laws that exist to protect human life.

Oh, but see, this is starting to sound like a bullshit excuse for a
pro-life debate. When the laws were not voted on by the people, and the
people had no say in them, well... it sounds like prohibition in that
way. So yes, it is sensible to oppose them if it is not the will of the
people. Why not just go all the way and outlaw driving altogether?
Nationally that would be ~40,000 lives saved a year... after all, if the
goal is to save lives, that will solve all of our traffic related
fatality issues. Now THAT would be absurd...

> The bottom line in this matter is simply whether (A) there should be
> enforcement of established laws or whether (B) blatant disregard for
> established laws should be tolerated.
> 
> Your premise seems to be "B," that if "the people" do not want
> enforcement of any given established law, then it is "sensible" for
> them to just ignore, disregard, and/or disobey it at will.
> 
> My premise is "A" that all laws that have been established by
> governing authorities in a civilized society should be enforced.
> 
> Which is sensible, and which is clearly not sensible?

I think that there is enough blatant disregard for all kinds of laws
that it is a moot point. In AZ, if you and your wife had partaken in any
sex acts other than straight up, missionary position, it was illegal
(until 2001). Were those archaic laws of 1901 still sensible? (no, I
don't want to know about your prude and boring sex life ;))

Okay, there was a request to end this thread that showed up... I'll
respect that, but I do think we should set up an OT list, I think enough
discussions have been ended this way to merit it.

Cheers,
Josh