an idea for keeping the moderating sorta "low pressure" (was: Re: right on the edge...)

[Ryan Rix]

This seems reasonable :)

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Mike Schwartz <schwartz at acm.org> wrote:

> I think it would be preferable to have the decisions made
>    by the moderator, not be [normally] decisions to KILL a given
>    post or thread "completely", but rather, just result in -- at worst --
>    the post or thread getting "moved" to another discussion list,
>    (maybe call it the "PLUG-Alt" list).
> THIS WAY, they would
>   *still* get mailed out -- and archived! -- just not on the main
>   "PLUG-Discuss" list!
> This way, it would be much LESS of an emotional issue,
>   when a certain decision got made by a moderator.
>   (a decision that, [let's say], someone disagreed with!).
> Also:  maybe the moderator should have the option to
>   ["suggest" that the poster (/ author) should]
>   **modify the "Subj:" header** of a given message,
>   e.g. to add "OT: " to the beginning of it.
>   OR, maybe, just to make it more helpful / correct.
> We could allow that, the poster could always
>   "decline" to do so, but being stubborn and "refusing"
>    to go along with the suggestion, might tend to
>   lead to stuff getting transferred to the PLUG-Alt list.
>   (Not a too severe of a consequence).
> Those who choose to do so, can subscribe to BOTH lists.
>    Those whose post got "moved" to the PLUG-Alt list,
>    could ask to "appeal" the decision, via a message to some
>    committee (which should probably reside on the PLUG-Alt list!),
>    but that would not be as big a deal,
>    since no matter what gets decided,
>    we are not talking about ANY posts getting censored completely,
>    we are just talking about [maybe] getting moved to a different list.
>    Also, all of that "appealing" [**"if"** any!] (see above)
>    would all happen outside the visibility of most readers,
>    who don't want to be bothered with it.
> Also (*IMPORTANT), all of the "appealing",
>    (along with all of the flaming, or other posts
>        that  got "moved" to the PLUG-Alt list,
>        as determined by the moderator)
>    (maybe including some "OT" posts?...)
>    would *also* (!) remain **outside** the visibility
>    of most "new" or "prospective" [possible future]
>    readers of the main "PLUG-Discuss" list!
>    so, they would not get disgusted / a bad impression,
>    due to accidentally tuning in
>    on a day when some very severe flaming
>    (or, whatever) was taking place.
> Again of course, this is just my 0.02,
>    but I think this idea would help to satisfy those who do
>    ["seem" to] want to flame each other,
>    or want to discuss "OT: " topics,
>    while not bothering (very much) the "general public".
> (Hey!  "general public" -- ! ...is that what the "GP" in "GPL"
>    stands for?  Woo-Hoo!)
> --
> Mike Schwartz
> Glendale  AZ
> schwartz at acm.org
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Ryan Rix <phrkonaleash at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > HI Alan,
> >
> > Though I am a high school student, most nights I am available to moderate
> > discussions of this sort. Perhaps stick all OT in a moderation queue and
> let
> > someone (even if it's not me, honestly I am indifferent on you nominating
> me,
> > if that's what you meant to do) pick through and eliminate sketchy ones.
> It's
> > imperfect but obviously it works better than our current setup. However,
> the
> > monthly publication is a good idea, though I find that monthly may be too
> > often.
> > Maybe semimonthly, but make all new registrations read it and agree under
> > threat of removal from the list?
> >
> > Honestly, it sucks to see something like this, but something must indeed
> be
> > done.
> >
> > Best,
> > Ryan
> >
> > --
> > Thanks and best regards,
> > Ryan Rix
> > TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog
> >
> > I support Debian [...]
> >
> > On Wed November 5 2008 09:40:15 pm Alan Dayley wrote:
> > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Ryan Rix <phrkonaleash at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > I agree, this, imo, immature bickering [...]
> > > > needs to stop. [...]
> > > > I suggest making a rule, at least, not to touch:
> > > >
> > > > *Politics
> > > > *Religion
> > >
> > > I agree with this.
> > >
> > > > These posts will get either moderated or just plain dropped.
> > >
> > > Are you offering to be moderator?  [...]
> > >
> > > I'm not trying to [...]
> > >
> > > > Any other ideas?
> > >
> > > The ideas I like most are:
> > >
> > >  *Self moderation out of respect for the group and the topic of the
> > > list.  This means don't make off-topic posts.
> > >  *Community moderation, which usually works.    This means respond to
> > > off-topic posts only to ask them to stop.
> > >
> > > Both of the above broke down on this, the day after a hard-fought and
> > > historic election.  We must re-enforce them.
> > >
> > > Maybe a monthly publication of expected participation activity would
> > > be appropriate.
> > >
> > > Alan
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>



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TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog


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