We are screwed.

[Eric Cope]

Nobody was forced to take part in a 2-party system. Don't argue that a 3rd
party candidate is a waste of vote. Face it, your vote is infinitesimally
small, in fact 1 in a million. The idea of voting for lesser of two evils
has delivered a president with a 30% approval rating and a Congress with a
19% approval rating. We, as a people, need to determine our own values and
vote based on these values, not trying to prevent someone else from getting
in office. Its not a horse race.

Eric

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Nathan <nathan at paysonlinux.org> wrote:

> On Wednesday 05 November 2008 12:18:18 Josh Coffman wrote:
> > mute.. mute mute dammit, gmail. ok fine..
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Josh Andler <scislac at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I find the irony in quoting a Democrat when trying to defend
> Republicans
> > > to be quite amusing. :P
> > >
> >
> > If your measure were based on the values represented by the quote and not
> > the party of the speaker, then you would not find it ironic.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > mike havens wrote:
> > > > Self interest? Whatever happened to, "Ask not what your country can
> do
> > > > for you; but for what you can do for your country,"  and to the
> > > > STATESMAN mindset rathedr than to the politician mindset.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > This list if full of individuals with widely varying views, and arguments
> > such as this will do little to change the mind of most of us.  Despite
> that,
> > I grow tired of ignorant statements.
> >
> > Obama won't tax those making less than 300k, then 250k, then 150k, then
> > 120k.. Did know one else notice that? Does no one else remember Clinton's
> > 1992 campaign on middle class tax cuts and making the "rich pay their
> fair
> > share"? Does no one else remember that Clinton then announced there will
> be
> > no tax cuts on Jan 15th, 1993 before he was even sworn in? Does no one
> else
> > remember Clinton's largest tax increase in US history?
> >
> > If you hang your hopes and dreams on any politician (Dem, Repub, or
> > otherwise), you will be sorely disappointed.
> >
> > Obama isn't going to give tax cuts, though he may further increase tax
> > refunds given to those not paying taxes.  If you haven't been paying
> > attention, the Bush tax cuts are temporary and will expire soon.  This
> will
> > bring back the death tax, increase capital gains tax rates, and
> > substantially increase tax rates across the board.  Congress has no
> > intention of making the Bush tax cuts permanent.  It will be easy for
> Obama
> > to claim he want to give people a break, and blame Congress for not
> giving
> > him a bill or whatever excuse. That's politics. Obama isn't any
> different,
> > and may actually be among the worst of them.  Look, he's offered a
> cabinet
> > to Rahm "f--- them" Emanual.
> >
> > I don't blame people for wanting to kick the Republicans to the curb;
> it's
> > just unfortunate that they've marred the values I stand for but which
> they
> > didn't actually uphold.  If you look around the world and at our own
> > history, it should be pretty obvious that government and bureacracy can't
> > fix your life.  The best thing it can do is provide for defense and equal
> > opportunity then get out of your way.
> >
> > Do you actually trust the government to run more programs and in anyway
> make
> > decisions for you with the track record they have? Deficit, Iraq war
> > pre-surge, Afghanistan right now, social security, welfare, healthcare
> laws
> > and regulation, 8000 pages of tax code (wtf?), bridge to nowhere,
> > subsidizing wooden arrows in a bank bail out bill, the bank bail out
> > itself.. seriously?
> >
> > For the liberals, congratulations for the most liberal admin and congress
> in
> > us history. Good luck with that. For the neo-cons, thanks, appreciate it
> > (not).  For the conservatives, like myself, this will bring clarity. That
> is
> > a good thing.
> >
> > In the end, this is still America. I, for one, am still proud to be an
> > American and love this country for things like election. It is a major
> > political shift, and it is a peacful one.
> >
> > Now, lemme try that gmail mute thing again.
> >
> > -j
> >
>
>
> Good post. I agree with most of what you said. I did not like either
> candidate, but being forced to take part in a two party system, I had to
> pick which one I thought was better for the country, and I will not lie and
> say my Bible had nothing to do with it. Some of Obama's ideas are fine. Same
> with Mccain. Some of them are really quite scary! Same with Mccain. None of
> which is anything Bush wouldn't or hasn't already done himself.
>
> Nonetheless, the media ran out Ron Paul so he never had a chance. It's
> unfortunate, but this is the mess we are stuck with.
> I will quote you because I think you said it well...
> > In the end, this is still America. I, for one, am still proud to be an
> > American and love this country for things like election. It is a major
> > political shift, and it is a peacful one
>
> nathan
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