We are screwed.

[Josh Andler]

Alex Dean wrote:
> On Nov 5, 2008, at 11:15 AM, mike havens wrote:
>
>> A couple of days ago, here in florida, a woman was thankful because
>> she sees a time on the near horizon when, 'I won't have to worry
>> about putting food on my table or putting gas in my car.' She wants
>> socialism! She, and like minded people, didn't pay attention durring
>> the USSRs regin, nor do the understand cuba or other communist
>> places. You think communism is not socialism? Please, explain to me
>> the difference.
>
> What kind of explanation do you want?  Academically, I believe
> communism is joint ownership of everything by all, while socialism is
> ownership of everything by the state.  (Instead of 'everything' I
> should say 'the means of production', but that phrase doesn't mean
> much unless you read Marx, which I haven't done since college.)
>
> We just had an election with record turnout, and Obama won quite
> convincingly.  McCain himself called Obama an honorable man, and
> offered him all the support he can.  Whatever looming disaster you may
> see, you are in the minority.
>
> Let's argue issues, not vague buzzwords like 'socialist'.  We can go
> back and forth about campaign promises, but I'll take it all seriously
> when it's actually in Congress.  The devil's always in the details,
> and arguing the surface points ('socialism!', 'free markets!',
> whatever) is basically 'my dad can beat up your dad' kind of stuff.
>
> We should be one country, and not just when your guy wins or my guy
> wins.  If that's the approach you're committed to, and you won't so
> much as listen to a different idea because of who it comes from, then
> I guess we won't have much to discuss.  But that's not how this
> country is supposed to work.  The sky is not falling, however dire our
> situation might be.
>
> alex

Agreed... and thank you also for putting more than emotion into your
reply. Also, shouldn't this thread subject be pre-fixed with OT for it
to continue since it's not directly linux related... and for it to get
auto-filtered to my junk folder?

Cheers,
Josh