We are screwed.

[Alex Dean]

On Nov 5, 2008, at 11:15 AM, mike havens wrote:

> A couple of days ago, here in florida, a woman was thankful because  
> she sees a time on the near horizon when, 'I won't have to worry  
> about putting food on my table or putting gas in my car.' She wants  
> socialism! She, and like minded people, didn't pay attention durring  
> the USSRs regin, nor do the understand cuba or other communist  
> places. You think communism is not socialism? Please, explain to me  
> the difference.

What kind of explanation do you want?  Academically, I believe  
communism is joint ownership of everything by all, while socialism is  
ownership of everything by the state.  (Instead of 'everything' I  
should say 'the means of production', but that phrase doesn't mean  
much unless you read Marx, which I haven't done since college.)

We just had an election with record turnout, and Obama won quite  
convincingly.  McCain himself called Obama an honorable man, and  
offered him all the support he can.  Whatever looming disaster you may  
see, you are in the minority.

Let's argue issues, not vague buzzwords like 'socialist'.  We can go  
back and forth about campaign promises, but I'll take it all seriously  
when it's actually in Congress.  The devil's always in the details,  
and arguing the surface points ('socialism!', 'free markets!',  
whatever) is basically 'my dad can beat up your dad' kind of stuff.

We should be one country, and not just when your guy wins or my guy  
wins.  If that's the approach you're committed to, and you won't so  
much as listen to a different idea because of who it comes from, then  
I guess we won't have much to discuss.  But that's not how this  
country is supposed to work.  The sky is not falling, however dire our  
situation might be.

alex
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