not ipcop?

[Darrin Chandler]

I should also add that at least with OpenBSD there is no GUI installer,
you are expected to enter the partitioning/slices for your disk(s),
etc., and once you're installed you do NOT have a big complete desktop
system with widgets and apps. Those things are pretty darned easy to
add, but they're not there to start.

I *like* that, because I have a lean but functional system to start with
and can configure or add whatever I need. Some people (most?) are
astounded and dismayed that it's not up and running in KDE or Gnome with
a bunch of apps already installed.

If you're still considering it, you'll want to keep this handy:
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/ and before installing read through
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html so you know what you're getting
into.

On Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 07:35:58AM -0700, Darrin Chandler wrote:
> Michael,
> 
> BSD can read and write ext2 fine. Last I checked OpenBSD couldn't do
> ext3. But if you've got some temporary storage you can tar up the
> contents are untar them into the new place.
> 
> OpenBSD is my personal preference. Many people do prefer others. I like
> OpenBSD because it's secure, pretty easy to understand once you get used
> to where the documentation is (the man pages & FAQ, not HOWTOs), and
> being that I'm a software developer I like the code better.
> 
> Now that I've said all that, I have some concerns about you switching
> from Linux to OpenBSD for something critical. First, you've spent years
> learning and using Linux. Though Linux and *BSD are Unix-like there are
> differences. There's going to be a learning curve. While there are
> people here who can help (including me), we are fewer in number than the
> rest of the good people here.
> 
> I'd feel a lot better if you had a machine you could try this on without
> it being something you need to have "in production" right away.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 10:41:42PM -0700, Michael Havens wrote:
> > will I be able to retain my linux home directory on bsd?
> > In addition I'm thinking it should be used to store the email I wish to retain 
> > (that's a server?).
> > so you are thinking openbsd. why not free or college or any of the other  
> > incarnations?
> > 
> > On Friday 18 January 2008 8:35 am, Darrin Chandler wrote:
> > > OpenBSD for a firewall makes all kinds of sense. It's incredibly secure,
> > > right out of the box. It comes standard with many network daemons that
> > > are very useful. Really, the security and networking stuff that comes
> > > standard with OpenBSD make it difficult to beat. You can do a default
> > > install and leave it on the internet and go on vacation and come back to
> > > an uncompromised box. It's also fairly lean, so it'll run fine on old
> > > hardware.
> > >
> > > The only reason I didn't recommend it before on this thread is that
> > > you're all familiar with Linux, and administering/securing/maintaining
> > > an OS you know well is better than borking up something you're not
> > > familiar with.
> > >
> > > If you're looking for a point&click or web-config firewall then don't
> > > bother with OpenBSD. If you don't mind the command line, editing config
> > > files in a text editor, etc., then OpenBSD makes a *wonderful* edge box.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 05:43:50AM -0700, Michael Havens wrote:
> > > > BSD? WHy would you recomend that over Clark Connect?
> > > >
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