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64-bit Linux distributions
Since Cedega is intended to run standard 32-bit Windows games, it is by
nature a 32-bit application. When running Cedega on a 64-bit Linux system,
an appropriate 32-bit compatibility environment must be available. Please
see the documentation for your Linux distribution to learn more about
running 32-bit applications on your system.
Additionally the following items may be of note:
- ALSA 1.0.11 or later is required in order to have working mmap
support for ALSA on 64-bit kernels. If you have an earlier version of AL=
SA
you should either disable mmap, or upgrade your ALSA drivers.
- Depending on your system, you may also need to install 32-bit OpenGL
drivers. Please run the video system tests to determine if you have work=
ing
32-bit OpenGL drivers.
- Joysticks may not be working with 64-bit kernels. On recent kernels
(e.g. 2.6.16) you may be able to get working 32-bit joystick via the Lin=
ux
2.2 interface. In order to use this, you must modprobe the ``joydev''
module. However it is not possible to get force feedback via this older
interface.
"
On Jan 10, 2008 10:31 AM, Erich Newell <erich.newell at gmail.com> wrote:
> This sounds highly promising. I will be looking into it once I'm all
> packed and set to move (I'm moving to SF next month). Mostly I want to
> play FarCry, Uru and a couple other older games so I'm guessing
> they're more likely to be supported. My Gamebox / MythTV Backend /
> Rainbow Cracker / DVD Ripper / FTA Satellite Receiver is an Opteron
> 180, 4GB RAM with an NVidia 7800GS...hopefully enough power. In any
> case, right now I'm running SpinRite on my main rig because of some
> weird EMASK errors that keep wrecking my RAID6 just to make sure it is
> a software bug and not actual hardware flaking out...
>
> Another thought comes to mind: Are there any issues running 32bit
> compatible Wine/Cedega on a 64bit platform that you're aware of?
>
> Regarding the other bit: I *highly* recommend UrbanTerror. The
> graphics are a bit dated, but the gameplay is fantastic and much
> better than the original counterstrike in my book (it uses Q3A physics
> with a 125fps cap). I recommend the FSK405 servers (My nick is
> FSK405|BRC :) and the BD server as well. The community isn't all that
> large as the game is so old, but I take this as a positive because
> there are a majority of mature players online rather than the vast
> numbers of whiny, small ego-ed, punks one finds populating most FPS
> game servers. Oh...and did I mention it runs AWESOME on Linux? There
> is even a 64bit binary that works flawlessly...also, being such an old
> game one can play it on old hardware...in case you want to have
> multiple gameboxen in your house and want to build them from old
> hardware.
>
> P.S. Once you're comfortable with the game, there is an advanced
> player map called Superman...which is fun to run around on and
> discover even without a game in progress. Check it out.
>
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2008 9:33 PM, Patrick C <patrick.pxc.c at gmail.com> wrote:
> > That seems like a very interesting idea with VMWare. Another option to
> > consider is CDEMU, which supports mounting Alcohol images (which are
> able to
> > contain tricks to make them act like copyrighted discs). The problem fo=
r
> > that would be in getting Cedega to recognize CDEMU as a CD-ROM drive.
> The
> > issue, though, doesn't lie in the emulation software; Cedega implements
> the
> > copy-protection stuff such that you can use the original disc
> successfully.
> >
> > Thanks for reminding me of UrbanTerror. I've read about it before, but
> later
> > forgot. I'll give it a whirl, and if it's (close to) as good as
> > Counter-Strike, I'll use it as a replacement. As far as running Steam
> games
> > under Linux, there are only a few things to consider:
> >
> > Which emulation software will you use?
> > If you use the partially proprietary Cedega, you have a bit more of a
> > guarantee, and maybe better performance. On the other hand, if you
> choose
> > Wine, you will probably have comparable support, but more difficulty
> setting
> > up. Wine vs Cedega performance used to lean hard in Cedega's favor, but
> Wine
> > has made leaps in DirectX support recently, and is often as good as or
> > better than Cedega, performance-wise. It's also free, and more commonly
> > updated. Read up on the Cedega forums at transgaming.org (or maybe it's
> > forums.cedega.com) before you decide whether or not to invest in it
> (it's
> > pretty cheap, though, so I wouldn't worry as long as you remember to
> cancel
> > and save your little installer file).
> >
> > Do the games you want to run have OpenGL support?
> > If they do, you can actually get very close to native performance, as
> the
> > graphics calls (often the most demanding as far as computation work) ar=
e
> > native. If you're not sure if your games have an OpenGL option, read
> around
> > online. Any game that also has a Mac version has an OpenGL option.
> > Experiment with OpenGL vs DirectX; different games work better with one
> or
> > the other.
> >
> > Some Steam-specific tips:
> > -Steam games have options that can greatly affect performance,
> especially
> > under Wine/Cedega. You can, for example, specify which DirectX version
> you'd
> > like to use, resolution, and heap-size in the call to Steam (used by
> game
> > shortcuts). You can find the command line options documentation for
> Valve
> > games here.
> > -Steam uses the Microsoft core fonts, which Wine does not come with!
> Neither
> > does Ubuntu, or any other free distribution. Look around for the
> appropriate
> > packages, or install the TTFs in your Wine font folder manually.
> Otherwise,
> > you end up with a blank steam interface.
> > -Steam (but not the games) performance can be greatly affected by Wine'=
s
> > scheduler options.
> > -Source games may have some sound issues.
> >
> > For more detailed help on these Steam problems/workarounds, visit the
> Wine
> > AppDB, which should have you covered. :-)
> >
> > As far as performance... if you're barely running the games under
> Windows,
> > don't attempt them under Linux. If you can run them on max settings,
> > depending on the game's age, you will either be able to run them on max
> > settings with slightly less performance or on lower settings with
> comparable
> > performance, but either way, playability is a sure bet. Of course, the
> usual
> > issues with Linux game performance also apply (you'll want your vendor'=
s
> > proprietary 3D drivers, etc).
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2008 5:58 PM, Erich Newell <erich.newell at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hmm. It would be a total hack...but if they allow mounting of the
> > > drives via the network, you could run VMWare with windoze...mount the
> > > ISO via DaemonTools and share it out?
> > >
> > > I don't have games with these requirements any longer. Actually, the
> > > newest game I play is UrbanTerror 4.1, which is based on Quake3
> > > (ioQuake)...I'd like to try the newer games, but not enough to guinea
> > > pig their feasibility under reenix.
> > >
> > > What Steam-based games work and what horsepower is needed? What's the
> > > performance hit?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 8, 2008 5:23 PM, Patrick C <patrick.pxc.c at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I've actually done a LAN party from Linux, myself, so I could talk
> to
> > you
> > > > about that. As for D-Tools vs `mount -t iso9660 -o loop`, the
> > > > copy-protection features used by many modern games are unsupported
> > > > (nonexistent) on Linux. Cedega provides these services, but does no=
t
> > support
> > > > mounting ISO images. (I've tried editing the configuration files by
> > hand,
> > > > too.)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 8, 2008 3:53 PM, Erich Newell <erich.newell at gmail.com >
> wrote:
> > > > > Awesome to hear. I'd like to pick his brain on how he has some of
> the
> > > > > games configured...as far as the "cons": Wine can be fooled into
> > > > > mounting ISOs as CDROM drives by first mounting them as loop
> devices
> > > > > under fstab and then adding them using winecfg.
> > > > >
> > > > > :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Who needs daemon tools?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jan 8, 2008 3:41 PM, Patrick C < patrick.pxc.c at gmail.com >
> wrote:
> > > > > > I just thought I'd throw this out there, since it's related...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just threw a LAN party on the 31st with about 18 people. One
> of
> > those
> > > > > > people ran Linux (Ubuntu 7.10) for the reason that he couldn't
> > install
> > > > > > Windows on his computer. He said that his Windows XP license is
> an
> > > > upgrade
> > > > > > from a Windows 98 license which is also an upgrade license, and
> > nothing
> > > > > > older than that recognizes his CD-ROM drive. He already had mos=
t
> of
> > the
> > > > > > games we were going to play (some recent, some older:
> > Counter-Strike:
> > > > > > Source, Warcraft III, Starcraft, Age of Empires III) working
> with
> > Wine.
> > > > For
> > > > > > the rest (or ones that were simply buggy) I threw my copy of
> Cedega
> > on
> > > > there
> > > > > > and pointed them to his Wine directories for the shortcuts, and
> the
> > > > games
> > > > > > ran and performed fairly well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The cons were not really show-stoppers. A minor performance los=
s
> and
> > a
> > > > > > slightly more complicated installation process. The things he
> missed
> > out
> > > > on
> > > > > > were tools like Daemon Tools and Daemonscript (which I combined
> so
> > > > nobody
> > > > > > would have to pass around CDs)--not the games themselves. That
> said,
> > > > real
> > > > > > Linux games hardly exist outside of Id Software's stuff, and th=
e
> > > > selection
> > > > > > of Windows games guaranteed to work with Cedega/Wine is somewha=
t
> > small,
> > > > > > including only the biggest titles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 27, 2007 9:43 PM, JT Moree < moreejt at pcxperience.com >
> wrote:
> > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > > > > > Hash: SHA1
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Judd Pickell wrote:
> > > > > > > > Sorry, but this argument falls on its face when you conside=
r
> the
> > > > cost
> > > > > > > > of the console and quality of the game. When a console cost=
s
> as
> > much
> > > > > > > > as the upgrades to a PC, I hardly call that being better.
> > Especially
> > > > > > > > since the cost of the games is almost the same.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You seem to miss my point entirely. I disagree with your
> > arguments
> > > > but
> > > > > > > we're quite off topic I think.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let me recap:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chris made a point about gaming on windows being better than
> other
> > PC
> > > > > > > platforms. I did NOT disagree with this statement--in fact I
> > agreed
> > > > > > > with it. But I went a step further and made a point that
> gaming
> > on
> > > > > > > Windows stinks compared to consoles.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I then gave reasons why PC gaming (Windows, LInux, MAc) is
> never
> > as
> > > > > > > simple and easy as a console. I am the one who gets calls
> from
> > > > friends
> > > > > > > and family to help with their stupid PC problems. I"ll be
> happy
> > to
> > > > > > > refer them to you if you disagree with my assessment. ;)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I ended by saying people who want to play games should buy
> > consoles
> > > > (so
> > > > > > > that they dont' call ME when they have problems.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You seemed to reply with something along the lines of:
> consoles
> > are
> > > > > > > lower quality and more expensive to upgrade than PCs. Again,
> I
> > > > disagree
> > > > > > > with this but it's OK to disagree with each other.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then you proceeded to explain why LInux has few commercial
> games.
> > Yes
> > > > I
> > > > > > > agree with all of that and it only reinforces my point.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't think there's anything constructive to say here. I
> > suppose
> > > > you
> > > > > > > can reply if I've misunderstood your response but is this
> > discussion
> > > > > > > serving any purpose? I'm regretting that I replied to the OP=
.
> > > > > > >
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Your rig should have plenty of power for those games. :-)<br><br>From some =
Cedega release notes: "<br><h2><a name=3D"64bit_linux_distributions">6=
4-bit Linux distributions</a></h2>
<p>Since Cedega is intended to run standard 32-bit Windows games, it is
by nature a 32-bit application. When running Cedega on a 64-bit Linux
system, an appropriate 32-bit compatibility environment must be
available. Please see the documentation for your Linux distribution to
learn more about running 32-bit applications on your system.</p>
<p>Additionally the following items may be of note:</p>
<ul><li><a name=3D"item_alsa_1_2e0_2e11_or_later_is_required_in_order_to_h"=
>ALSA
1.0.11 or later is required in order to have working mmap support for
ALSA on 64-bit kernels. If you have an earlier version of ALSA you
should either disable mmap, or upgrade your ALSA drivers.</a>
</li><li><a name=3D"item_depending_on_your_system_2c_you_may_also_need_to_i=
">Depending
on your system, you may also need to install 32-bit OpenGL drivers.
Please run the video system tests to determine if you have working
32-bit OpenGL drivers.</a>
</li><li><a name=3D"item_kernels">Joysticks may not be working with
64-bit kernels. On recent kernels (e.g. 2.6.16) you may be able to get
working 32-bit joystick via the Linux 2.2 interface. In order to use
this, you must modprobe the ``joydev'' module. However it is not
possible to get force feedback via this older interface. </a>
</li></ul>"<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jan 10, 2008 10:31 AM, Er=
ich Newell <<a href=3D"mailto:erich.newell at gmail.com">erich.newell at gmail=
.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-le=
ft: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: =
1ex;">
This sounds highly promising. I will be looking into it once I'm all<br=
>packed and set to move (I'm moving to SF next month). Mostly I want to=
<br>play FarCry, Uru and a couple other older games so I'm guessing
<br>they're more likely to be supported. My Gamebox / MythTV Backend /<=
br>Rainbow Cracker / DVD Ripper / FTA Satellite Receiver is an Opteron<br>1=
80, 4GB RAM with an NVidia 7800GS...hopefully enough power. In any<br>case,=
right now I'm running SpinRite on my main rig because of some
<br>weird EMASK errors that keep wrecking my RAID6 just to make sure it is<=
br>a software bug and not actual hardware flaking out...<br><br>Another tho=
ught comes to mind: Are there any issues running 32bit<br>compatible Wine/C=
edega on a 64bit platform that you're aware of?
<br><br>Regarding the other bit: I *highly* recommend UrbanTerror. The<br>g=
raphics are a bit dated, but the gameplay is fantastic and much<br>better t=
han the original counterstrike in my book (it uses Q3A physics<br>with a 12=
5fps cap). I recommend the FSK405 servers (My nick is
<br>FSK405|BRC :) and the BD server as well. The community isn't all th=
at<br>large as the game is so old, but I take this as a positive because<br=
>there are a majority of mature players online rather than the vast<br>
numbers of whiny, small ego-ed, punks one finds populating most FPS<br>game=
servers. Oh...and did I mention it runs AWESOME on Linux? There<br>is even=
a 64bit binary that works flawlessly...also, being such an old<br>game one=
can play it on old hardware...in case you want to have
<br>multiple gameboxen in your house and want to build them from old<br>har=
dware.<br><br>P.S. Once you're comfortable with the game, there is an a=
dvanced<br>player map called Superman...which is fun to run around on and
<br>discover even without a game in progress. Check it out.<br><div><div></=
div><div class=3D"Wj3C7c"><br><br><br>On Jan 9, 2008 9:33 PM, Patrick C <=
;<a href=3D"mailto:patrick.pxc.c at gmail.com">patrick.pxc.c at gmail.com</a>>=
wrote:
<br>> That seems like a very interesting idea with VMWare. Another optio=
n to<br>> consider is CDEMU, which supports mounting Alcohol images (whi=
ch are able to<br>> contain tricks to make them act like copyrighted dis=
cs). The problem for
<br>> that would be in getting Cedega to recognize CDEMU as a CD-ROM dri=
ve. The<br>> issue, though, doesn't lie in the emulation software; C=
edega implements the<br>> copy-protection stuff such that you can use th=
e original disc successfully.
<br>><br>> Thanks for reminding me of UrbanTerror. I've read abou=
t it before, but later<br>> forgot. I'll give it a whirl, and if it&=
#39;s (close to) as good as<br>> Counter-Strike, I'll use it as a re=
placement. As far as running Steam games
<br>> under Linux, there are only a few things to consider:<br>><br>&=
gt; Which emulation software will you use?<br>> If you use the partially=
proprietary Cedega, you have a bit more of a<br>> guarantee, and maybe =
better performance. On the other hand, if you choose
<br>> Wine, you will probably have comparable support, but more difficul=
ty setting<br>> up. Wine vs Cedega performance used to lean hard in Cede=
ga's favor, but Wine<br>> has made leaps in DirectX support recently=
, and is often as good as or
<br>> better than Cedega, performance-wise. It's also free, and more=
commonly<br>> updated. Read up on the Cedega forums at <a href=3D"http:=
//transgaming.org" target=3D"_blank">transgaming.org</a> (or maybe it's
<br>> <a href=3D"http://forums.cedega.com" target=3D"_blank">forums.cede=
ga.com</a>) before you decide whether or not to invest in it (it's<br>&=
gt; pretty cheap, though, so I wouldn't worry as long as you remember t=
o cancel
<br>> and save your little installer file).<br>><br>> Do the games=
you want to run have OpenGL support?<br>> If they do, you can actually =
get very close to native performance, as the<br>> graphics calls (often =
the most demanding as far as computation work) are
<br>> native. If you're not sure if your games have an OpenGL option=
, read around<br>> online. Any game that also has a Mac version has an O=
penGL option.<br>> Experiment with OpenGL vs DirectX; different games wo=
rk better with one or
<br>> the other.<br>><br>> Some Steam-specific tips:<br>> -Stea=
m games have options that can greatly affect performance, especially<br>>=
; under Wine/Cedega. You can, for example, specify which DirectX version yo=
u'd
<br>> like to use, resolution, and heap-size in the call to Steam (used =
by game<br>> shortcuts). You can find the command line options documenta=
tion for Valve<br>> games here.<br>> -Steam uses the Microsoft core f=
onts, which Wine does not come with! Neither
<br>> does Ubuntu, or any other free distribution. Look around for the a=
ppropriate<br>> packages, or install the TTFs in your Wine font folder m=
anually. Otherwise,<br>> you end up with a blank steam interface.<br>
> -Steam (but not the games) performance can be greatly affected by Wine=
's<br>> scheduler options.<br>> -Source games may have some sound=
issues.<br>><br>> For more detailed help on these Steam problems/wor=
karounds, visit the Wine
<br>> AppDB, which should have you covered. :-)<br>><br>> As far a=
s performance... if you're barely running the games under Windows,<br>&=
gt; don't attempt them under Linux. If you can run them on max settings=
,
<br>> depending on the game's age, you will either be able to run th=
em on max<br>> settings with slightly less performance or on lower setti=
ngs with comparable<br>> performance, but either way, playability is a s=
ure bet. Of course, the usual
<br>> issues with Linux game performance also apply (you'll want you=
r vendor's<br>> proprietary 3D drivers, etc).<br>><br>> On Jan=
8, 2008 5:58 PM, Erich Newell <<a href=3D"mailto:erich.newell at gmail.com=
">
erich.newell at gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> > Hmm. It would be a total=
hack...but if they allow mounting of the<br>> > drives via the netwo=
rk, you could run VMWare with windoze...mount the<br>> > ISO via Daem=
onTools and share it out?
<br>> ><br>> > I don't have games with these requirements a=
ny longer. Actually, the<br>> > newest game I play is UrbanTerror 4.1=
, which is based on Quake3<br>> > (ioQuake)...I'd like to try the=
newer games, but not enough to guinea
<br>> > pig their feasibility under reenix.<br>> ><br>> >=
What Steam-based games work and what horsepower is needed? What's the<=
br>> > performance hit?<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>
> ><br>> ><br>> > On Jan 8, 2008 5:23 PM, Patrick C <<=
a href=3D"mailto:patrick.pxc.c at gmail.com">patrick.pxc.c at gmail.com</a>> w=
rote:<br>> > > I've actually done a LAN party from Linux, myse=
lf, so I could talk to
<br>> you<br>> > > about that. As for D-Tools vs `mount -t iso9=
660 -o loop`, the<br>> > > copy-protection features used by many m=
odern games are unsupported<br>> > > (nonexistent) on Linux. Cedeg=
a provides these services, but does not
<br>> support<br>> > > mounting ISO images. (I've tried edi=
ting the configuration files by<br>> hand,<br>> > > too.)<br>&g=
t; > ><br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > On Jan 8=
, 2008 3:53 PM, Erich Newell <
<a href=3D"mailto:erich.newell at gmail.com">erich.newell at gmail.com</a> > w=
rote:<br>> > > > Awesome to hear. I'd like to pick his brai=
n on how he has some of the<br>> > > > games configured...as fa=
r as the "cons": Wine can be fooled into
<br>> > > > mounting ISOs as CDROM drives by first mounting the=
m as loop devices<br>> > > > under fstab and then adding them u=
sing winecfg.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > :)<br>> >=
> >
<br>> > > > Who needs daemon tools?<br>> > > ><br>&=
gt; > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> &g=
t; > > On Jan 8, 2008 3:41 PM, Patrick C < <a href=3D"mailto:patri=
ck.pxc.c at gmail.com">
patrick.pxc.c at gmail.com</a> > wrote:<br>> > > > > I just =
thought I'd throw this out there, since it's related...<br>> >=
; > > ><br>> > > > > I just threw a LAN party on th=
e 31st with about 18 people. One of
<br>> those<br>> > > > > people ran Linux (Ubuntu 7.10) f=
or the reason that he couldn't<br>> install<br>> > > > &=
gt; Windows on his computer. He said that his Windows XP license is an<br>
> > > upgrade<br>> > > > > from a Windows 98 licens=
e which is also an upgrade license, and<br>> nothing<br>> > > &=
gt; > older than that recognizes his CD-ROM drive. He already had most o=
f
<br>> the<br>> > > > > games we were going to play (some =
recent, some older:<br>> Counter-Strike:<br>> > > > > Sou=
rce, Warcraft III, Starcraft, Age of Empires III) working with<br>> Wine=
.
<br>> > > For<br>> > > > > the rest (or ones that w=
ere simply buggy) I threw my copy of Cedega<br>> on<br>> > > th=
ere<br>> > > > > and pointed them to his Wine directories fo=
r the shortcuts, and the
<br>> > > games<br>> > > > > ran and performed fair=
ly well.<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > The cons w=
ere not really show-stoppers. A minor performance loss and<br>> a<br>
> > > > > slightly more complicated installation process. Th=
e things he missed<br>> out<br>> > > on<br>> > > > =
> were tools like Daemon Tools and Daemonscript (which I combined so
<br>> > > nobody<br>> > > > > would have to pass ar=
ound CDs)--not the games themselves. That said,<br>> > > real<br>&=
gt; > > > > Linux games hardly exist outside of Id Software'=
;s stuff, and the
<br>> > > selection<br>> > > > > of Windows games g=
uaranteed to work with Cedega/Wine is somewhat<br>> small,<br>> > =
> > > including only the biggest titles.<br>> > > > &g=
t;
<br>> > > > > On Dec 27, 2007 9:43 PM, JT Moree < <a href=
=3D"mailto:moreejt at pcxperience.com">moreejt at pcxperience.com</a> > wrote:=
<br>> > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>>=
; > > > > > Hash: SHA1
<br>> > > > > ><br>> > > > > > Judd Pic=
kell wrote:<br>> > > > > > > Sorry, but this argument =
falls on its face when you consider the<br>> > > cost<br>> >=
> > > > > of the console and quality of the game. When a co=
nsole costs as
<br>> much<br>> > > > > > > as the upgrades to a PC=
, I hardly call that being better.<br>> Especially<br>> > > >=
; > > > since the cost of the games is almost the same.<br>> &g=
t; > > > >
<br>> > > > > ><br>> > > > > > You seem=
to miss my point entirely. I disagree with your<br>> arguments<br=
>> > > but<br>> > > > > > we're quite off to=
pic I think.
<br>> > > > > ><br>> > > > > > Let me r=
ecap:<br>> > > > > ><br>> > > > > > Chr=
is made a point about gaming on windows being better than other<br>> PC
<br>> > > > > > platforms. I did NOT disagree with =
this statement--in fact I<br>> agreed<br>> > > > > > w=
ith it. But I went a step further and made a point that gaming<br>>=
; on<br>
> > > > > > Windows stinks compared to consoles.<br>> =
> > > > ><br>> > > > > > I then gave reaso=
ns why PC gaming (Windows, LInux, MAc) is never<br>> as<br>> > >=
; > > > simple and easy as a console. I am the one who gets =
calls from
<br>> > > friends<br>> > > > > > and family to h=
elp with their stupid PC problems. I"ll be happy<br>> to<br>&=
gt; > > > > > refer them to you if you disagree with my asse=
ssment. ;)
<br>> > > > > ><br>> > > > > > I ended =
by saying people who want to play games should buy<br>> consoles<br>>=
> > (so<br>> > > > > > that they dont' call ME=
when they have problems.)
<br>> > > > > ><br>> > > > > > You seem=
ed to reply with something along the lines of: consoles<br>> are<br>>=
> > > > > lower quality and more expensive to upgrade than =
PCs. Again, I
<br>> > > disagree<br>> > > > > > with this but =
it's OK to disagree with each other.<br>> > > > > ><b=
r>> > > > > > Then you proceeded to explain why LInux has=
few commercial games.
<br>> Yes<br>> > > I<br>> > > > > > agree wit=
h all of that and it only reinforces my point.<br>> > > > > =
><br>> > > > > > I don't think there's anythin=
g constructive to say here. I
<br>> suppose<br>> > > you<br>> > > > > > can=
reply if I've misunderstood your response but is this<br>> discussi=
on<br>> > > > > > serving any purpose? I'm regr=
etting that I replied to the OP.
<br>> > > > > ><br>> > > > > > - --<br>=
> > > > > > JT Mor=E9e<br>> > > > > > P=
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