Need to outsource programming or hire full-time

Joshua Zeidner jjzeidner at gmail.com
Mon Aug 27 11:32:19 MST 2007 

On 8/27/07, Scottsdale Arizona Web Design <
plug at scottsdalearizonawebdesign.com> wrote:
>
>  Jason Ho-Ching
> Owner of several companies and sites including:
> echazen.com
> scottsdale arizona web design
> zencart masters
> askamormon.com
> wearesamoa.com
> 480.355.1434
>
> For the record, I used to post on the utah plug list at www.plug.org.
> Every post there is highly visible on the search engines.  Google my name
> and you'll see a plug post on the first page.  I have had job postings there
> get put on google that discussed projects and what I am paying to my
> programmers.  This is the type of information I don't want my clients to
> see.  We bill our clients at $85/hr and I don't want clients to see that we
> pay some programmers only $40/hr and what not.
>
> This is why I didn't want all my personal info to be posted here because I
> assumed it would be as public as the plug.org postings from utah.
>
> I hope this clears up any confusion.  I have posted my name and number at
> the top.  I might as well tell you what we're offering to pay, too, since
> everything is now on the table.  We are looking to pay between $40/hr and
> $75/hr.  Software engineers will make closer to $75/hr.  These are top-level
> developers only.  The owner of the company in utah will be interviewing the
> candidates to filter out the more inexperienced developers.  I have already
> had a very, very, very bad experience with a programmer on this board.
>



  Who would that be?


  -jmz





  I was misled by this person and that is why I am not doing the
> interviewing myself.
>
> Please email me if you are interested.  I am not going to give any more
> information about the position on the plug list here but will reserve this
> information for serious inquiries only.
>
> Thank you.
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
> Josh Coffman wrote:
>
> I'm sure the rest of the group would agree with me, and I appreciate the
> job posting on this list.
> It would be courteous of you to include your name and company in the
> signature when you post.
>
> Regards
> -j
>
> On 8/24/07, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com > wrote:
> >
> >
> >   Ok, I know who this is, I am not necessarily trying to put you down.
> >
> >   I think that you owe this community some kind of tangible identity if
> > you are claiming to be presenting a job opportunity.  You have posted here
> > before, and I have my opinions as to what the issues are, but I think the
> > community here has the right to at least a consistent and regular identity.
> > I don't think you risk any serious SEO problems.
> >
> >   -jmz
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/24/07, Scottsdale Arizona Web Design <plug at scottsdalearizonawebdesign.com >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't understand what the issue is here.  We aren't hiding
> > > anything.  Scottsdale Arizona Web Design is owned by eChazen.com.  We
> > > created that site for search engine optimization purposes and will launch a
> > > new site for it.  It was purchased a long time ago and only now are we
> > > seriously considering launching it.
> > >
> > > I didn't post under that name because of search engine reasons.  I
> > > don't want plug list to come up when someone searches the web for
> > > eChazen.com.  I only want our clients' sites and our own site to turn
> > > up as results.  Scottsdale Arizona Web Design is a competitive key term and
> > > plug list messages shouldn't show up.
> > >
> > > If you are interested, please email us at:
> > >
> > > plug at scottsdalearizonawebdesign.com
> > >
> > > If not, that's fine.
> > >
> > > Randy Melder wrote:
> > >
> > > Whois Server Version 2.0
> > >
> > > Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
> > > with many different competing registrars. Go to
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.internic.net
> > > for detailed information.
> > >
> > >
> > >    Domain Name: SCOTTSDALEARIZONAWEBDESIGN.COM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >    Registrar: WILD WEST DOMAINS, INC.
> > >    Whois Server: whois.wildwestdomains.com
> > >
> > >    Referral URL:
> > > http://www.wildwestdomains.com
> > >    Name Server:
> > >
> > >
> > > NS1.ECHAZEN.NET
> > >    Name Server: NS2.ECHAZEN.NET
> > >    Status: clientDeleteProhibited
> > >    Status: clientRenewProhibited
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >    Status: clientTransferProhibited
> > >    Status: clientUpdateProhibited
> > >    Updated Date: 17-jul-2007
> > >    Creation Date: 17-jul-2005
> > >    Expiration Date: 17-jul-2008
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > > database through the use of electronic processes that are high-volume and
> > > automated except as reasonably necessary to register domain names or
> > >
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> > > Services' ("VeriSign") Whois database is provided by VeriSign for
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> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > query the Whois database except as reasonably necessary to register
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > to restrict your access to the Whois database in its sole discretion to ensure
> > > operational stability.  VeriSign may restrict or terminate your access to the
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Whois database for failure to abide by these terms of use. VeriSign
> > >
> > > reserves the right to modify these terms at any time.
> > >
> > > The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .EDU domains and
> > > Registrars.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The data contained in this Registrar's Whois database,
> > > while believed by the registrar to be reliable, is provided "as is"
> > >
> > > with no guarantee or warranties regarding its accuracy. This information
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > is provided for the sole purpose of assisting you in obtaining
> > > information about domain name registration records. Any use of
> > > this data for any other purpose is expressly forbidden without
> > >
> > > the prior written permission of this registrar.  By submitting an
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > inquiry, you agree to these terms of usage and limitations of warranty.
> > > In particular, you agree not to use this data to allow, enable, or
> > > otherwise make possible, dissemination or collection of this data, in
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > part or in its entirety, for any purpose, such as the transmission of
> > > unsolicited advertising and solicitations of any kind, including spam.
> > > You further agree not to use this data to enable high volume, automated
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > or robotic electronic processes designed to collect or compile this data
> > > for any purpose, including mining this data for your own personal or
> > > commercial purposes.
> > >
> > > Please note: the owner of the domain name is specified in the
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "registrant" field.
> > > In most cases, the Registrar is not the owner of domain names listed
> > > in this database.
> > >
> > >
> > > Registrant:
> > >    eChazen Internet Solutions
> > >    7040 E. Kessler Ave
> > >
> > >    Mesa, Arizona 85208
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >    United States
> > >
> > >    Registered through: eChazen.com
> > >    Domain Name:
> > > SCOTTSDALEARIZONAWEBDESIGN.COM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       Created on: 17-Jul-05
> > >       Expires on: 17-Jul-08
> > >       Last Updated on: 17-Jul-07
> > >
> > >    Administrative Contact:
> > >       Internet Solutions, eChazen
> > >
> > >
> > > contact at echazen.com
> > >       7040 E. Kessler Ave
> > >       Mesa, Arizona 85208
> > >       United States
> > >       (480) 452-8560      Fax --
> > >
> > >    Technical Contact:
> > >       Internet Solutions, eChazen
> > >
> > >
> > > contact at echazen.com
> > >       7040 E. Kessler Ave
> > >       Mesa, Arizona 85208
> > >       United States
> > >       (480) 452-8560      Fax --
> > >
> > >    Domain servers in listed order:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > NS1.ECHAZEN.NET
> > >       NS2.ECHAZEN.NET
> > >
> > >
> > > Whois Server Version 2.0
> > >
> > > Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
> > > for detailed information.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >    Domain Name: ECHAZEN.COM
> > >    Registrar: WILD WEST DOMAINS, INC.
> > >    Whois Server:
> > >
> > >
> > > whois.wildwestdomains.com
> > >    Referral URL: http://www.wildwestdomains.com
> > >    Name Server:
> > >
> > > NS1.ECHAZEN.COM
> > >    Name Server: NS2.ECHAZEN.COM
> > >    Status: clientDeleteProhibited
> > >    Status: clientRenewProhibited
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >    Status: clientTransferProhibited
> > >    Status: clientUpdateProhibited
> > >    Updated Date: 08-jun-2006
> > >    Creation Date: 04-nov-2002
> > >    Expiration Date: 04-nov-2007
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   Last update of whois database: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:25:49 UTC <<<
> > >
> > >   NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the
> > > registrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry is
> > > currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expiration
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > date of the domain name registrant's agreement with the sponsoring
> > > registrar.  Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois database to
> > > view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > TERMS OF USE: You are not authorized to access or query our Whois
> > > database through the use of electronic processes that are high-volume and
> > > automated except as reasonably necessary to register domain names or
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > modify existing registrations; the Data in VeriSign Global Registry
> > > Services' ("VeriSign") Whois database is provided by VeriSign for
> > > information purposes only, and to assist persons in obtaining information
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > about or related to a domain name registration record. VeriSign does not
> > > guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a Whois query, you agree to abide
> > > by the following terms of use: You agree that you may use this Data only
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > for lawful purposes and that under no circumstances will you use this Data
> > > to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass
> > > unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail, telephone,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > or facsimile; or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes
> > > that apply to VeriSign (or its computer systems). The compilation,
> > > repackaging, dissemination or other use of this Data is expressly
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > prohibited without the prior written consent of VeriSign. You agree not to
> > >
> > > use electronic processes that are automated and high-volume to access or
> > > query the Whois database except as reasonably necessary to register
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > domain names or modify existing registrations. VeriSign reserves the right
> > >
> > > to restrict your access to the Whois database in its sole discretion to ensure
> > > operational stability.  VeriSign may restrict or terminate your access to the
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Whois database for failure to abide by these terms of use. VeriSign
> > >
> > > reserves the right to modify these terms at any time.
> > >
> > > The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .EDU domains and
> > > Registrars.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The data contained in this Registrar's Whois database,
> > > while believed by the registrar to be reliable, is provided "as is"
> > >
> > > with no guarantee or warranties regarding its accuracy. This information
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > is provided for the sole purpose of assisting you in obtaining
> > > information about domain name registration records. Any use of
> > > this data for any other purpose is expressly forbidden without
> > >
> > > the prior written permission of this registrar.  By submitting an
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > inquiry, you agree to these terms of usage and limitations of warranty.
> > > In particular, you agree not to use this data to allow, enable, or
> > > otherwise make possible, dissemination or collection of this data, in
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > part or in its entirety, for any purpose, such as the transmission of
> > > unsolicited advertising and solicitations of any kind, including spam.
> > > You further agree not to use this data to enable high volume, automated
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > or robotic electronic processes designed to collect or compile this data
> > > for any purpose, including mining this data for your own personal or
> > > commercial purposes.
> > >
> > > Please note: the owner of the domain name is specified in the
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "registrant" field.
> > > In most cases, the Registrar is not the owner of domain names listed
> > > in this database.
> > >
> > >
> > > Registrant:
> > >    echazen
> > >    7040 E. Kessler
> > >    Mesa, Arizona 85208
> > >
> > >
> > >    United States
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >    Registered through: eChazen.com
> > >    Domain Name: ECHAZEN.COM
> > >       Created on: 04-Nov-02
> > >
> > >       Expires on: 04-Nov-07
> > >
> > >
> > >       Last Updated on: 08-Jun-06
> > >
> > >    Administrative Contact:
> > >       Ho-Ching, Jason
> > > hochingj at yahoo.com
> > >
> > >       Jet Designs
> > >       11082 S. Conestoga Dr.
> > >       Spanish Fork, Utah 84660
> > >       United States
> > >       (801) 873-3220      Fax --
> > >
> > >    Technical Contact:
> > >       Ho-Ching, Jason
> > >
> > > hochingj at yahoo.com
> > >       Jet Designs
> > >       11082 S. Conestoga Dr.
> > >       Spanish Fork, Utah 84660
> > >       United States
> > >       (801) 873-3220      Fax --
> > >
> > >    Domain servers in listed order:
> > >
> > >
> > > NS2.ECHAZEN.COM
> > >
> > >
> > > NS1.ECHAZEN.COM
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/24/07, Joshua Zeidner
> > > <jjzeidner at gmail.com> <jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >    I have a feeling I know who this is...
> > >
> > >   How about a company name, link to a web site?
> > >
> > >   -jmz
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/24/07, Scottsdale Arizona Web Design
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <plug at scottsdalearizonawebdesign.com> <plug at scottsdalearizonawebdesign.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >  We are looking for two types of resources:
> > >
> > >
> > >        ============================================================================
> > >
> > >  Freelancer or freelance team
> > >
> > >        ============================================================================
> > >
> > >  We currently use two programmers that are out of state.  They constantly
> > >
> > >  disappear or do not answer the phone for several days at a time.  Then they
> > > will resurface again.  We need to work with a highly-skilled and
> > > highly-efficient local developer or team.
> > >
> > >  We are very happy with the skill level of the two programmers we have, but
> > >
> > >  it's reliability that's the issue here.
> > >
> > >  We develop using the LAMP stack and sometimes need ASP.net work but will
> > >
> > >  not require it.
> > >
> > >  We need a team or a developer that has EXTENSIVE programming experience
> > >
> > >  and conforms to coding standards.
> > >
> > >  Candidate must be local.  Would be nice if he/she/they were located in the
> > >
> > >  east mesa/gilbert area.
> > >
> > >  Please contact me with your experience and rates or just send a resume.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >        ============================================================================
> > >
> > >  In-house contract developer for 40-50 hours a week
> > >
> > >        ============================================================================
> > >
> > >  We are looking at the possibility of partnering with a utah development
> > >
> > >  company in bringing on two "full-time" developers.  You would be classed as
> > > contract workers, but you will be required to work at least 40 hours a week
> > > in our offices in east mesa.  Pay is dependent upon experience.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >      Please contact me with your experience and rates or just send a resume.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
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> > > .0000. communication.
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> > > .0100. appeal.
> > >
> > > JOSHUA M. ZEIDNER
> > > IT Consultant
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
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