Mikey , Technomage Check out the ASU surplus at the corner of 101 and Rio Salado. I was there last week and saw a couple of Sparc boxes for $20-35 - IIRC- w/ kb & m and monitor, also HDs are $1.00 per gig -- augie grayfox78 at cox dot net In a world without walls or fences, who needs windows or gates?